1LikesU.S. Vintage Trans-Am Racing
02-22-2010, 05:38 PM
#8297
I guess MY thinking is that if someone is that far off-line or that slow or having that much trouble hooking up that they should be EASY pickin's to pass if you hold back a turn or two and watch for your opportunity to pass 'em. No need to punt 'em if they're THAT out of it, so if they get punted it's kinda pure laziness on the faster driver's part at that point.
02-22-2010, 06:03 PM
#8298
Exactly. At the Casino race a couple weeks ago I was in second and right behind the leader. I was "harassing" him with a look here and there but no contact for four or five laps. I finally got my opening when he went wide on the tight-ish sweeper onto the main straight and dove inside to come onto the straight side-by-side with him. The straight had a high-speed 90-degree and another shorter straight, I was on the inside and as we "breathed" the throttle to make the 90 he pulled in behind me on the short straight. Then punted the bejeezus out of me as we (well, at least I) slowed for the 180-degree into the infield. As it turned out he messed himself up worse than he did me, but it still kind of chapped my hide that I spent THAT long running him as tight as I could and 100% cleanly only to get drilled the first turn after I made the clean pass.
I guess MY thinking is that if someone is that far off-line or that slow or having that much trouble hooking up that they should be EASY pickin's to pass if you hold back a turn or two and watch for your opportunity to pass 'em. No need to punt 'em if they're THAT out of it, so if they get punted it's kinda pure laziness on the faster driver's part at that point.
I guess MY thinking is that if someone is that far off-line or that slow or having that much trouble hooking up that they should be EASY pickin's to pass if you hold back a turn or two and watch for your opportunity to pass 'em. No need to punt 'em if they're THAT out of it, so if they get punted it's kinda pure laziness on the faster driver's part at that point.
02-22-2010, 07:04 PM
#8300
If you can get a spool for your T/A car it actually will help you get a little better lap time. Talking with Eric a while back he told me that many have found the spool to be faster, which would make sense since you can go deeper into a corner and get through it faster and have more control than a one way. I put a spool in my T/A car and improved my laptimes. Car is more controlable with the spool and it lets you check up if you are about to run into the back of someone.
Larry
02-22-2010, 07:20 PM
#8302
When we experimented one-way vs. spool I found that I could get my ultimate best lap time (but barely) with a one-way. The down-side was that to get that you have to sweep the corners a bit more which leaves the inside vulnerable, especially since you can't brake with the one-way to protect the inside line. I always choose a spool because with the one-way you're giving up the ability to run it up the inside and brake hard to force a pass. The cut-and-thrust of actual racing seems to prefer the spool so that's what I've been running for a couple years now.
02-22-2010, 07:25 PM
#8303
I am not trying to be one of those racers who argues a point and then fails to show up for the race, but some cars have issues with spools. Whether it's horrid pin-drag or chattering CVDs, the one-way is the only thing that works for some racers, B-mainers and A-mainers.
Two completely different examples of this issue: the Corally Phi 09 has very little steering throw and no "LCDs" available. That car is MUCH faster and more predictable with a one-way. My mid-motor JRXS has LCDs, but the pin drag is so bad and the suspension geometry so diabolical, it's a useless chassis with a spool. I drop a one-way in the car and it's instantly one of the best VTA cars on the east coast. At the current speeds (without ESC timing) I even have functioning brakes!
I very rarely disagree with track organizers and race promoters, but at these slow speeds I do not believe you are saving anyone from poor driving. Just my $0.02.
Two completely different examples of this issue: the Corally Phi 09 has very little steering throw and no "LCDs" available. That car is MUCH faster and more predictable with a one-way. My mid-motor JRXS has LCDs, but the pin drag is so bad and the suspension geometry so diabolical, it's a useless chassis with a spool. I drop a one-way in the car and it's instantly one of the best VTA cars on the east coast. At the current speeds (without ESC timing) I even have functioning brakes!
I very rarely disagree with track organizers and race promoters, but at these slow speeds I do not believe you are saving anyone from poor driving. Just my $0.02.
02-22-2010, 07:29 PM
#8304
When we experimented one-way vs. spool I found that I could get my ultimate best lap time (but barely) with a one-way. The down-side was that to get that you have to sweep the corners a bit more which leaves the inside vulnerable, especially since you can't brake with the one-way to protect the inside line. I always choose a spool because with the one-way you're giving up the ability to run it up the inside and brake hard to force a pass. The cut-and-thrust of actual racing seems to prefer the spool so that's what I've been running for a couple years now.
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02-22-2010, 07:32 PM
#8306
And to emphasize a point...penalize bad driving, not the parts that people use as an excuse for poor driving. Everybody who takes people out also has a receiver...and if they put the proper inputs into that receiver the car suddenly drives like it's supposed to and everybody is happy. Just like if a one-way is used properly there's no problem. But you wouldn't ban receivers for improper use. Or motors and esc's. Or...
That said, I can't come play in May. If it was in June-July I'd be there in a New York minute. Or an Indiana minute as the case may be...
That said, I can't come play in May. If it was in June-July I'd be there in a New York minute. Or an Indiana minute as the case may be...
02-23-2010, 08:03 AM
#8307
All this discussion on one-way vs spools is very interesting. However, the reason I asked if spools are being allowed is because it was stated USVTA rules. Not USVTA plus club rules.
I have avoided Harbour Hobbies and the Hurricane series because of the one-way rule. Why should I have to spend an additional 40 to 50 dollars on top of traveling expenses to run there? If I had a dif or spool it would still be the work of changing it out and retuning the car to run at one track.Tracks should have consistent rules to attract racers from other places.
We had the same problem in Dirt Oval. Some tracks required a special body or wing. Why would someone buy a body to run at just one track when it is not legal anywhere else; unless you ran there weekly. Monee finally used DODC rules starting in January to bring in racers from a distance. And it worked.
Whatever Harbour's reason is for not allowing one-ways I do not know or care. Maybe it is a safety issue;easily made into an underwear bomb. Maybe they feel they have more racers than the place can handle now.
My point in all this writing is, "Wouldn't following USVTA rules increase inter-track participation? Or if you want to change USVTA rules, wouldn't it be wise to make them more lenient to increase the number of racers?"
I have avoided Harbour Hobbies and the Hurricane series because of the one-way rule. Why should I have to spend an additional 40 to 50 dollars on top of traveling expenses to run there? If I had a dif or spool it would still be the work of changing it out and retuning the car to run at one track.Tracks should have consistent rules to attract racers from other places.
We had the same problem in Dirt Oval. Some tracks required a special body or wing. Why would someone buy a body to run at just one track when it is not legal anywhere else; unless you ran there weekly. Monee finally used DODC rules starting in January to bring in racers from a distance. And it worked.
Whatever Harbour's reason is for not allowing one-ways I do not know or care. Maybe it is a safety issue;easily made into an underwear bomb. Maybe they feel they have more racers than the place can handle now.
My point in all this writing is, "Wouldn't following USVTA rules increase inter-track participation? Or if you want to change USVTA rules, wouldn't it be wise to make them more lenient to increase the number of racers?"
