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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 07-25-2017, 06:58 PM
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Casper- will you be at the JBRL at Rainmans?
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I hope so but not 100% right now.
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Originally Posted by STLNLST
Is anyone else snapping pins running the MIP layshafts? I only run 13.5 and fell victim to the snap. I've seen mod guys break the pin but not in 13.5 The pin in the MIP is hallow. Could a solid pin be run and still enjoy the lighter weight? Looks like I'll test fit some pins before Friday.
Knock on wood but mine has been holding so far.
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I have a Good Question, If my 13.5 pulls close to the same rpm’s as my 10.5 would you gear it like a 13.5 or a 10.5???
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I gear my short stack Reedy 13.5 a tooth lower because it's a high RPM motor and seems to make better power spinning up high.
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Originally Posted by STLNLST
Is anyone else snapping pins running the MIP layshafts? I only run 13.5 and fell victim to the snap. I've seen mod guys break the pin but not in 13.5 The pin in the MIP is hallow. Could a solid pin be run and still enjoy the lighter weight? Looks like I'll test fit some pins before Friday.
I was a double-victim of the MIP snap(s) this Saturday with a 13.5. First broke slipper shaft during practice, presumable due to the pin snapping first, followed by the shaft. Changed back to stock shaft, but was running out of time before racing was starting, so I chose not to change the rear shaft. Ran 2 qualifiers and managed to TQ, then pin snapped on rear shaft toward end of main
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Originally Posted by Casper
T-works alum shafts have a solid steel pin in them. No issues so far!

https://www.rc-tworks.com/collection...t-for-tlr-22-4
How long have you been running the T-works shafts? Anyone else running these? I'm hoping it was just the weak roll-pins causing the failures in the MIP shafts and solid pins will hold up.
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I have quite a bit of time on the T-works shafts and no issues so far. I put them on the back in Dec and have run them through stock nats at OCRC on high bite and even ran them on a bumpy outdoor track with good traction. Lets just say my slipper is locked the entire time so I am putting all the forces through the shafts and they are still going strong. T-works uses a steel pin press fit it looks instead of the roll pins MIP uses.
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Originally Posted by Casper
I have quite a bit of time on the T-works shafts and no issues so far. I put them on the back in Dec and have run them through stock nats at OCRC on high bite and even ran them on a bumpy outdoor track with good traction. Lets just say my slipper is locked the entire time so I am putting all the forces through the shafts and they are still going strong. T-works uses a steel pin press fit it looks instead of the roll pins MIP uses.
Casper are you getting direct from them or does anyone local carry?
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I have been going direct. I am not aware of any local t-works dealers. I got a bunch through ebay but seems to all be coming from the same place.
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So I have been having some success with my 2.0 but have also had some issues. We have a few 180's and a downward section that is from top to bottom, almost 7' with a 90 degree right hander into a set of doubles. I get down that section ok, but turning for the doubles half the time my buggy seems to feel like someone pulled a handbrake and I spin, like a dog bone popped out, but it never did, I get marshalled straight, and I keep going. It happens in other places, when I am turning, the buggy all of a sudden abruptly stops or stutters mid corner for a second, then It keeps going. I checked my steering, I am using the optional aluminum C Ackerman steering arms (331020). I get full lock to the right but not to the left, it physically cannot go any further, and only makes it to with 2mm from hitting the caster block. I'm not sure if the items are related or separate. My sons 1.0 has the more common 334009 aluminum arms and they go lock to lock easily, is the C Ackerman to blame? The rod between the arms is the same length, and I am using the TLR A/B aluminum horn. This may be the real reason I have this overall lack of rear traction.
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I solved one issue. The C Akerman arms are straight and that right arm would bang up against the spur fear cover not allowing full throw to steer left. I need to shorten the tie rod between the two aluminum arms. Shorter than stock. What will this do exactly to the steering and/or Ackerman?
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Originally Posted by HeavyD99
I solved one issue. The C Akerman arms are straight and that right arm would bang up against the spur fear cover not allowing full throw to steer left. I need to shorten the tie rod between the two aluminum arms. Shorter than stock. What will this do exactly to the steering and/or Ackerman?
I don't think I'm quite following. If you want to use the C Ackermann, just adjust the steering turnbuckles so that both wheels point straight ahead. Make sure they're both the same length. Is there another issue you have after doing this?

A picture or video would be helpful.
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Looks like a new body coming
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I was hoping for a 22 4.0 inspired body!
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