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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 09-29-2017, 11:01 AM
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You need the 22 4.0 forum - start here:
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...l#post15041468
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Originally Posted by djblues11
So I am planning to start a new build as I enter 1/10 scale for the first time. I have been racing 1/8 scale all summer and want to keep racing during the winter. I am torn between building the standard 22 4.0 or to build the 22 4.0 spec racer. I have been doing research but unfortunately there is not alot of info out there on the spec racer. Any thoughts?
My thought is that you probably misread the thread title, this is for the 22-4 4wd buggy.
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I really want to get one of these to try 4wd buggy racing, but I fear TLR is going to release a new version soon. Every other TLR vehicle is on version 3.0 or 4.0, but the 22-4 is still 2.0.
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I really want to get one of these to try 4wd buggy racing, but I fear TLR is going to release a new version soon. Every other TLR vehicle is on version 3.0 or 4.0, but the 22-4 is still 2.0.
No new version coming soon... for sure.
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I have seen a few 22-4s with the rear shocks mounted on the front of the shock tower, which I guess requires some modification to accomplish. What advantage would such a change provide? I will be driving the car in a 13.5t blinky class on an outdoor track with a medium-loose grip surface. Would front mounted rear shocks be advantageous for such a track?
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My opinion -- I feel like it centralizes the weight towards the middle of the car and allows it to carry more corner speed and push a little less. I think you give up a hair of rear tire traction.
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So I've just got my kit almost finished and I want to change the spur out for something smaller as I'm running 17.5 stock. What exactly do I need to take off to get to the spur? I've tried undoing the casing from the top and that wouldn't move. Is there an easy way?
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Welcome to the 22 4. Its one of the best driving 4wd available, however the price for that is you get to take lots of stuff apart to change the spur. Youll need to remove the front two belts covers and the screw on the bottom that holds the middle cover and maybe the servo. once you get used to it, its not that bad. The 22 4 2.0 is a great car but if your changing spur gears a lot at races or what ever..that's gonna get old.
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I've given TLR a fair bit of grief on the 4.0 thread for missing the IOCC carpet race but as a silver lining to it all I'm interested in the set ups used this past week at the 'real' dirt tracks JR and company visited recently.
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Originally Posted by stuffandthat
So I've just got my kit almost finished and I want to change the spur out for something smaller as I'm running 17.5 stock. What exactly do I need to take off to get to the spur? I've tried undoing the casing from the top and that wouldn't move. Is there an easy way?
It's not really bad at all. I love wrenching so having to take a lot apart doesn't bother me.

If you look at the post above you from TSAIR, he has a link to his YouTube page in his signature. He has a video on what's required to swap the spur gears. Enjoy.
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Originally Posted by stuffandthat
So I've just got my kit almost finished and I want to change the spur out for something smaller as I'm running 17.5 stock. What exactly do I need to take off to get to the spur? I've tried undoing the casing from the top and that wouldn't move. Is there an easy way?
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Also, make sure your gear mesh is set perfectly, so you don't accidentally strip it and have to get to it again...
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Thanks for the help guys. If I had have known it was such a pain in the ass to change the spur I would have done it right the first time!!!

For stock (17.5) should I be running the 76T spur and about 30T pinion?
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Holy crap! I thought the hbd13 was bad. 22-4 is a great driving car but crazy to work on, it's not the car for me. I enjoy watching them run tho indoors, all you hear is the tires squeaking on the track surface.
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Anyone have servo recommendations, my 22-4 2.0 likes to eat servo gears. I have been using Savox, but looking for recommendations for something durable, light and fast.

thx
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Originally Posted by mupchu
Anyone have servo recommendations, my 22-4 2.0 likes to eat servo gears. I have been using Savox, but looking for recommendations for something durable, light and fast.

thx
Spektrum 6240 is a great option.
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