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caioz1jp 03-24-2017 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by QDRHRSE (Post 14879082)
Mine steers just fine. That servo is also very light. Like I said in my full post we don't really know everything we need to know. Even if the car is stock we don't know the ride height, where the battery is, how loose/tight the diff is...

I will update with a setup sheet. I will say I have bar code blue tires and ride hieght is set to stock. When I first set up the car I used. Aguage to set it.

My diff is smooth and if have it just tight enough that when I hold a wheel and the spur I can't turn the other wheel. My slipper is tightened just enough to lift the front a few inches off the ground.

Lay down tranny and the shocks are mounted on the rear. Battery is in forward position.

racer1812 03-24-2017 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Davidka (Post 14879018)
69 oz isn't optimum but it's more than enough for 2wd. I used to run a 50oz servo for several years with no negative effects. That's definitely not the source of the problem. I've been working on my car to get steering for a few weeks and I use a 115oz servo.

Anybody have a B6d (standup 3 gear) setup that steers?

Dave, what tires are you on at TS? I know it's "JC country" and that's what a lot of guys run there. But PL Electrons are a more aggressive front tire than any of the current JC offerings. If your willing and haven't already tried them. my $.02

I only know one guy running stand up 3 gear and I haven't driven his car so getting his set up for you won't likely help much since I can't compare it to what I run. (aka: I don't know if it turns well or not)

bmag5000 03-24-2017 10:29 AM

i race my b6d on loose dirt so im rockin' AKA rebars since we are in tire talk.

Cain 03-24-2017 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Slapjack (Post 14879003)
I was also thinking about running that brass front bulkhead. Is that a good upgrade for carpet tracks? Should give some more steering? I still haven't run the b6 but a couple guys at the track have them and they look like steering isn't an issue like it is on my xb2 but does the brass bulkhead help?
Also.... nobody ever gave me an answer about sway bars. Are front and rear sway bars a good choice for upgrade on carpet?
The other parts I am wondering about is hard arms and side rails. Are those worth getting?

I run the brass front bulkhead, hard arms, and sway bars.

I felt I got more steering with the brass front bulkhead versus when I was just using the plastic one.

The hard arms gave the vehicle a more direct feel but to be honest I don't think for my driving its making much of a difference in comparison to what I saw with the brass bulkhead on lap times.

I really like the sway bars better than without (example: stock B6 setup). Car cornered better however some of the setups I felt were too stiff in the shocks for our conditions.

Going with lighter oil combined with the yokomo yatabe springs really woke up the buggy.

racer1812 03-24-2017 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by bmag5000 (Post 14879483)
i race my b6d on loose dirt so im rockin' AKA rebars since we are in tire talk.

"tire talk"..I'm addressing a guy who races at a track that I've been too several times. Which is off road, thus the reason we're in the "Electric OFF ROAD forum" discussing handling and set up issues with the B6..

How do ANY of your posts even remotely relate to anything in this thread, other than vehicle type, when you race on a dirt oval with a late model body? You can't even compare your gearing with what 99% of the people in here run simply based on application.

I don't know what your issue is but I suggest you hang out in this forum and find people to chit chat about your oval stuff with..That means leave the TLR guys alone in their threads as well..

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I was nice the last time I replied to you and I'm being nice now. But you're getting really close to seeing the "uncensored" version of racer1812

Davidka 03-24-2017 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by racer1812 (Post 14879466)
Dave, what tires are you on at TS? I know it's "JC country" and that's what a lot of guys run there. But PL Electrons are a more aggressive front tire than any of the current JC offerings. If your willing and haven't already tried them. my $.02

Yep, lots of JC being run there, but anything clay compound works. I've tried a few combinations (AKA, Losi, JC) and they're all about the same with this car so far, but I don't have any PL's so maybe that's worth a go.

There's a kid who also runs a standup B6 and he's really fast (TQ'd stock when all the good guys were there). Our setups look really similar but he drives with his brakes a lot. My 22 3.0 had plenty of steering and the B5's did too. Not sure what to do here.

Things I've changed from stock, in case anybody has some ideas:
+1 steering arms
1mm ackerman spacer (stock is 2mm)
+1mm caster hat bushings (stock is 0mm)
Front shock in middle of arm w/2mm limiter (stock is outer, no limiters)
2* anti-squat (stock is 1*)
30f/27.5r shock oil (stock is 30/30, common is 32.5/30)
Battery in the middle, moved forward didn't seem to change much.

Tonight I think I'll take out 1mm of ball stud height in the rear to try to get it to come around more, and maybe go back to heavier 32.5/30, that change was to try for more fore/aft weight transfer. May also try the heaiver front spring, though I'm not optimistic for that without the lay-down, which I won't try until I'm confident in the setup I have.

This car is about the least sensitive to adjustment of anything I've ever run so I'm not afraid to mess around with it between runs. Got that going for me, I guess..

Jason B 03-24-2017 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Davidka (Post 14879596)
Tonight I think I'll take out 1mm of ball stud height in the rear to try to get it to come around more, and maybe go back to heavier 32.5/30, that change was to try for more fore/aft weight transfer. May also try the heaiver front spring, though I'm not optimistic for that without the lay-down, which I won't try until I'm confident in the setup I have.

I removed a ballstud, as well, and went with the gray front springs, too... both helped put steering into the car, FWIW.

racer1812 03-24-2017 12:58 PM

@Dave, I think this is one case where suggesting a different tire, like I did, may not be a good idea. You're obviously on a tire that works at TS. Yes tires matter but the tires you're on are known to work. I would keep tuning the car to work with what you're running.

bmag5000 03-24-2017 01:18 PM

I was kidding around mr. moderator. I guess since I'm a dirt oval racer and not offroad anymore maybe I should check out dirtoval.com instead.

Jason B 03-24-2017 01:39 PM

... and here we go :lol:

Matt Trimmings 03-24-2017 05:40 PM

The only thing we're doing is talking about B6's hitting some jumps.

JsK 03-24-2017 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by Davidka (Post 14879596)
Yep, lots of JC being run there, but anything clay compound works. I've tried a few combinations (AKA, Losi, JC) and they're all about the same with this car so far, but I don't have any PL's so maybe that's worth a go.

There's a kid who also runs a standup B6 and he's really fast (TQ'd stock when all the good guys were there). Our setups look really similar but he drives with his brakes a lot. My 22 3.0 had plenty of steering and the B5's did too. Not sure what to do here.

Things I've changed from stock, in case anybody has some ideas:
+1 steering arms
1mm ackerman spacer (stock is 2mm)
+1mm caster hat bushings (stock is 0mm)
Front shock in middle of arm w/2mm limiter (stock is outer, no limiters)
2* anti-squat (stock is 1*)
30f/27.5r shock oil (stock is 30/30, common is 32.5/30)
Battery in the middle, moved forward didn't seem to change much.

Tonight I think I'll take out 1mm of ball stud height in the rear to try to get it to come around more, and maybe go back to heavier 32.5/30, that change was to try for more fore/aft weight transfer. May also try the heaiver front spring, though I'm not optimistic for that without the lay-down, which I won't try until I'm confident in the setup I have.

This car is about the least sensitive to adjustment of anything I've ever run so I'm not afraid to mess around with it between runs. Got that going for me, I guess..

Have you tried the bulkhead shims?

Davidka 03-24-2017 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by JsK (Post 14879884)
Have you tried the bulkhead shims?

I haven't. I lowered rear ball stud, went to the silver front spring and 32f/30r oil and I'm really close now. Super easy to drive, just 5% "safer" than it needs to be. 2nd qualifier coming up. I'm 8th out of 25 (that's with a 27sec lap on an 18sec/lap track), which is better than I've been lately.

Slapjack 03-24-2017 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by JsK (Post 14879186)
A stock B6 is gonna be anywhere from 35 to 50 grams underweight depending on your
electronics package. A simple solution is the brass weight plates AE sellls that fit under
the battery. The point is that there is alot of room to experiment with weight. Personally
I like the steel servo and esc plate with the aluminum bulkhead. The brass seems to slow
the cars transition down.

As far as the bars go i have seen the car run both ways on high grip, light(1500-1550) without
bars and heavy (1550-1620)with bars and stiffer front springs. Personally I think the heavy
cars are a bit easier to drive, but not really faster.

Hard arms are almost.impossible to find right now so i would skip them for awhile until they
come back in stock.

My advice, build it to the book setup thats quite good by the way and throw a 46 gram plate
under the battery to get it legal. Go drive it before you change it, you might be very happy
with it like that.

These cars are really good right out of the box. There are about 15 of these cars at my local
track in different trims and I really dont see anything offering a noticable advantage.

I have never really messed too much with adding weight to a buggy. I was thinking I would get the esc and servo steel pieces so if I do decide
To add weight that it is more to the front but what would be the most weight I would want to add to this buggy? What is the avg weight the b6 comes in at rtr? And what is the min legal weight? My track doesn't enforce that type of stuff but just wondering

Matt Trimmings 03-24-2017 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Slapjack (Post 14879924)
I have never really messed too much with adding weight to a buggy. I was thinking I would add the esc and servo steel pieces so the weight is more forward but what would be the most weight I would want to add to this buggy? Why is the avg weight the b6 comes in at rtr? And what is the min legal weight? My track doesn't enforce that type of stuff but just wondering

My B6/D has always liked being a little bit over. 1499 is minimum and you don't really have to try that hard to reach near that number. My laydown running at ocrc liked being in the 1530-1550 range, outdoors on a medium bite track my car with the 3 gear standup liked in the 1600g range...just made it easier to drive when it was loose.


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