26LikesTLR 22 3.0 Race Kit Thread!
08-23-2016, 10:37 AM - Wikipost
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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.
Franks response: Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root). Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either. I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'. K.King Something I made, pretty basic. Just to give people an idea. 
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03-09-2016, 12:38 PM
#2311
Hoping someone can help me wrap my head around this:
This weekend a buddy, who has a 3.0 set up basically the same as mine, and I were racing at a local carpet track. We both agreed our cars were pushing a little more than we liked so we moved the battery forward let's say 10mm. No other changes were made other than to correct the ride height for the weight movement.
When the cars hit the track again we both agreed the cars were pushing worse than before which was baffling. We thought moving more weight to the front of the car would increase steering but the opposite showed to be true. The big question: why?
This weekend a buddy, who has a 3.0 set up basically the same as mine, and I were racing at a local carpet track. We both agreed our cars were pushing a little more than we liked so we moved the battery forward let's say 10mm. No other changes were made other than to correct the ride height for the weight movement.
When the cars hit the track again we both agreed the cars were pushing worse than before which was baffling. We thought moving more weight to the front of the car would increase steering but the opposite showed to be true. The big question: why?
03-09-2016, 02:37 PM
#2312
Tech Apprentice
I've had good luck w/ 1) moving the battery all the way back and to help with the weight transfer effect and then 2) increasing my front shock oil from 32.5 to 35 (have yet to play around with stiffer springs).
03-09-2016, 04:14 PM
#2313
I noticed same effect when moving the battery forward trying to gain more on power steering. There was some loss with off power steering. Was thinking I should get some more aggressive front tires to get more off power steering while leaving the battery more forward.
03-09-2016, 07:27 PM
#2314
[QUOTE=MNiceGuy;14437372]Hoping someone can help me wrap my head around this:
This weekend a buddy, who has a 3.0 set up basically the same as mine, and I were racing at a local carpet track. We both agreed our cars were pushing a little more than we liked so we moved the battery forward let's say 10mm. No other changes were made other than to correct the ride height for the weight movement.
When the cars hit the track again we both agreed the cars were pushing worse than before which was baffling. We thought moving more weight to the front of the car would increase steering but the opposite showed to be true. The big question: why?[/QUOTE)
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What casters blocks are you running? If running 5 deg, try 0 deg. Too much weight up front will cause front end wash out, just like if you riding up on the gas tank on a motorcross bike and you lean in too much in a corner and the front wheel washes out.
This weekend a buddy, who has a 3.0 set up basically the same as mine, and I were racing at a local carpet track. We both agreed our cars were pushing a little more than we liked so we moved the battery forward let's say 10mm. No other changes were made other than to correct the ride height for the weight movement.
When the cars hit the track again we both agreed the cars were pushing worse than before which was baffling. We thought moving more weight to the front of the car would increase steering but the opposite showed to be true. The big question: why?[/QUOTE)
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What casters blocks are you running? If running 5 deg, try 0 deg. Too much weight up front will cause front end wash out, just like if you riding up on the gas tank on a motorcross bike and you lean in too much in a corner and the front wheel washes out.
03-09-2016, 09:49 PM
#2315
Yeah i had same experience. Had trouble with lack of on power steering so i moved batt all the way fwd and it didnt improve anythg so i figured i move it all the way back just for the heck of it and ended up having more steering!!!
03-09-2016, 09:58 PM
#2316
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I am having trouble with the stock ball cups being too tight on the turnbuckles. Greased the threads real good and cycled the turnbuckles in and out several times with a power tool to try to loosen them up but still pops out of the ball studs if i try to make adjustments. The stock ball cups are tough as heck which is a good thing but just thought i try somethg abit easier to work with.
03-10-2016, 10:35 AM
#2317
Hoping someone can help me wrap my head around this:
This weekend a buddy, who has a 3.0 set up basically the same as mine, and I were racing at a local carpet track. We both agreed our cars were pushing a little more than we liked so we moved the battery forward let's say 10mm. No other changes were made other than to correct the ride height for the weight movement.
When the cars hit the track again we both agreed the cars were pushing worse than before which was baffling. We thought moving more weight to the front of the car would increase steering but the opposite showed to be true. The big question: why?
This weekend a buddy, who has a 3.0 set up basically the same as mine, and I were racing at a local carpet track. We both agreed our cars were pushing a little more than we liked so we moved the battery forward let's say 10mm. No other changes were made other than to correct the ride height for the weight movement.
When the cars hit the track again we both agreed the cars were pushing worse than before which was baffling. We thought moving more weight to the front of the car would increase steering but the opposite showed to be true. The big question: why?
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03-10-2016, 02:50 PM
#2318
I've never thought about this before, but I'm assuming the inverse applies as well? Moving the battery further forward could result in more weight shifting to the rear on power, potentially increasing on-power traction? Or is the benefit of having the static weight closer to the rear end of the car outweigh the weight transfer?
03-10-2016, 03:33 PM
#2319
i was wondering what wheel is compatible with the aka evo lineup for the fronts of the 3.0? i have a set of aka evo slicks for the front and dont want to mount them up and make a mistake and them not being compatible on the stock 3.0 wheel. i really dont want to use the aka conversion kit if i dont have to im seeing alot of different part numbers for the tlr wheels. just want to know what rim in the aka evo lineup will fit the 22 3.0 so i can mount these slicks up thank you for the help
03-10-2016, 03:59 PM
#2321
I've never thought about this before, but I'm assuming the inverse applies as well? Moving the battery further forward could result in more weight shifting to the rear on power, potentially increasing on-power traction? Or is the benefit of having the static weight closer to the rear end of the car outweigh the weight transfer?
03-10-2016, 04:02 PM
#2322
03-10-2016, 05:45 PM
#2323
Hi All,
What is the benefit of running the turnbuckles on the side guards, is the chassis not rigid enough on high grip.....???
What is the benefit of running the turnbuckles on the side guards, is the chassis not rigid enough on high grip.....???
03-10-2016, 07:39 PM
#2325