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Instruction manuals: (C/O BentKa)

Xray XB2 Carpet Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...ual_v2_low.pdf

Xray XB2 Dirt Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...w.pdf?update=2

BentKa: Carpet Edition 4 gear to 3 gear laydown conversion parts:
  • Gearbox #323014
  • Motorplate #324012
  • 36T idler gear #324236
  • Brace for waterfall #324031


Socket: Bodies Available:

Xray has two OEM bodies, the .75mm and the .50mm light weight:
light weight: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-xb...329701/p492942

OEM .75mm: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-0....329700/p477762

Also, I've fitted the yz2 body, both the light and regular fit fine, just make your own cut lines:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...z2-101/p417674


[i] J Concepts S2 Body [i]


Penguin Racing makes a high grip body that fits the DE and CE:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Ray-Xb2-Hi...oAAOSw1S9WewHV



Socket: Wheel fitment:

According to some, you'll require different offset rear hexes to use B5M wheels. According to my Hudy setup board, B5M wheels are the same offset. I measured the overall width of the car with XB2 wheels, and then again with B5M wheels, same measurement.

On the front, B5M wheels were 1.5mm wider. Xray offers hexes to reduce width -.75 on each side, or you could spend 3-5 minutes and sand your OEM hexes down .75mm.

edit by dgrobe2112
here are the hubs for losi and AE

for AE Front 365354 -0.75
for Losi rear 365358 +3.00 (4 stripe)
for AE rear 365359 +3.75 (5 stripe) or add 1.5mm carbon avid spacers



Socket: Flex and the XB2:

Flex screws are as follows:

Plastic bulkhead between motor and waterfall. Can remove screw in chassis, or remove bulkhead altogether.

Waterfall has 4 screws, can remove the inner two or outer two. IIRC, removing the inner two provides more flex, and thus more bite.

Removing the battery brace. This gives a tremendous amount of flex on the middle of the car, and can sometimes be inconsistent. I do this for outdoor racing on low bite. I like the feel over the 4 gear in 17.5 racing, since the 4 gear will take some snap away off the corner.

Rear C block - has inner and outer screws. I haven't played with this, as it's a crucial pivot point of the car.

Medium arms and towers -> I don't believe the carpet car has the rear medium tower available, however the DE DOES have an optional hard part. I think the hard parts are more consistent, especially when it gets hot (90+ degrees F). However, the medium parts do NOT break unless you're severely talented. They also don't wear out.



Socket: Avid/Schelle Slipper mod:

Credit to WillS, Matt Trimmings, and myself for figuring this out months ago.

Parts you'll need:

B5M V2 3gear compatible top shaft.
TKO Special 5x13x5 bear OR 5x13x6 bearing Either can work. This replaces the spur side bearing on the top shaft.
5mm shims, same shims used in 1/8th scale clutch bells. Look for protek .1mm and .2mm kit.
Avid or Schelle b5m top shaft kit, with spur gears of your choosing. (DE can't handle a 69, the CE can)

Shimming: You'll need to install the bearing in the front portion of the removable piece for the shaft. Make sure the bearing is pushed all the way in. With the TKO bearing, you'll need to shim approximately 1.4mm on the front side of the top shaft. Roughly .3-.5mm with the other bearing. This is a "feel" and tolerance setting. I urge you to watch videos about setting clutch bell play in 1/8th scale to get an idea of what yield you want for end play. Too tight, it'll eat bearings.

Outside of trans case: Use Avid/Schelle top shaft spacer plus .2mm shim to offset slipper from motor plate perfectly. Install slipper as instructed, and use Avid/Schelle spring and XB2 slipper nut.

- NEW - Schelle now sells Xb2 Topshafts. They include a spacer, so no need for shims in gearbox, and comes with the smaller bearing. Both methods work.

Socket: Yokomo Differential or MIP pucks:

Credit to: WillS for figuring out pucks, and as well fitting the Losi 22 diff with the same mods.

Parts needed: Yokomo Bmax2 or YZ2 complete diff OR Mip PUCKS outdrives
Xb2 diff gear
Bmax2 V3 Worlds rear dog bones, or Bmax 2 pucks dog bones
You'll use XB2 axles, and will require no other mods for the axles or dog bones.
You'll need .2mm outdrive/diff shims. Shim approximately .5mm on each side of the diff, behind the bearings. The top portion of the transmission is what "sets" the diff in place, not the bottom half. A little play back and forth is fine, the stock diff has some play from the factory.

dgrobe2112: CE to DE conversion:
along with the parts needed.. you MUST have these following hardware, or it wont work

https://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/do...conversion.pdf

(3) XRAY 902340 M3x40 button head screws. these are the screws that mount the motor mount to the tranny
(4) XRAY 903322 M3x22 counter sunk screws. these are for the rear diff case, to mount to the chassis. i think i used some M3x18 and they worked ok.

Socket: Best method for setting up the XB2 ball diff:

The XB2 diff is stellar when setup correctly. The spring is too short and soft, allowing the diff to slip. You'll need to glue the rings to the outdrives with just a drop of CA, then add a 1mm shim between the spring and the outdrive. This preloads the spring and stops the diff from slipping so easily.

OR, you can run the AE diff spring, which is both slightly longer, and stiffer. The overwhelming issue is the stock spring allows the nut to bottom out on the outdrive before the diff is tight enough.

This shim:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-al...a303122/p12070

This diff spring (don't need a shim, then.)

https://www.teamassociated.com/parts...thrust_spring/

Functional Aftermarket parts: (Not just bling!)

Servo Horn: (The B5M sized horns are too short to get full throw)
https://www.amainhobbies.com/protek-...800-bk/p273496


Socket: Exotek has a full suite of parts, some bling, some not. Here's a list (all fit DE and CE, unless otherwise noted):

Titanium front axles: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-titanium-front-axles-2/

Rear Hanger, HD (Adds 4 grams): http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...75-heavy-duty/

Brass C block, 18 grams added: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...-brass-weight/

Alloy front camber mount: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-fron...er-mount-7075/

Carbon Fiber Chassis: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-carb...m-plate-2-5mm/

Alloy rear hubs:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-allo...ub-set-2-7075/

Alloy servo mounts, allow for use of LP servo:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...-alloy-1-pair/

Titanium shock mounts: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...shock-posts-2/

Slipper Eliminator: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-direct-spur-mount/
Xray eliminator is #324100

dgrobe2112: 2016-2017 new 3 gear laydown
Gearbox #323014
Motor plate #324012
36T idler gear #324236
Brace for waterfall #324031

dgrobe2112: Xray Spring Rate Conversion:
front C WHT
368174 2 str 0.65-0.85 3.71-4.85

358184 2 dot 0.65 3.71
368185 3 dot 0.72 4.11
368186 4 dot 0.80 4.57


Rear
368273 2 str 0.35-0.45 2.00-2.57

368284 1 Dot 0.35 2.00
368285 2 Dot 0.40 2.28
368286 3 Dot 0.45 2.57
368287 4 Dot 0.50 2.86

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Old 07-02-2019, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by yodace
I have the Adjustable rear axle which position do u use if you’re converting over to the xb4 arms?
Position 1 or farthest away from the wheel. This will be similar to non adjusting axles with 73 drive shafts.
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If I wanted to run a 2wd buggy on an outdoor clay tracks in Florida where its summer 3/4 of the year? Would I be able to use a carpet car or would I be better off with a dirt car?
the reason I ask is most of the club level guys I've spoken to run the AE cars and non of the use the dirt version.
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The new carpet car uses shorter shocks and towers to limit down travel which is needed on high grip astro/carpet racing, So your better off with the specific dirt version of the vehicle.
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Anyone run a slipper eliminator on dirt? If so do they have tendency to spin out more?
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If you don't have the right tires, if your setup is off, or the track is dry, yes you'll spin out more easily. Use appropriate tires, and setup your car correctly, and don't over drive it, and you should be fine.
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Guys,

Few things I have been doing to improve the car for me over the past few months or so. It is a std XB2 19 Carpet Spec car, Euro version. So I have the adjustable drive shafts axles. To make the car less agressive around centre I have installed B6.1 graphite front arms, needs a little shimming and the outboard hinge pin needs around 1 or 2 mm shaving of the length to get a good fit and hold in well on the arms. The area where the shock ends go into needs opening up also to allow the std xray rod ends to fit(takes a few seconds with a file to open it up) Rear has XB4 rear arms, these seem to be pretty standard on most set ups in the UK.

The biggest change is I got hold of a battery holding system that was designed for the Cougar Laydown(designed and made by a local guy in the UK, thanks for the system Andy Shillito), and it fitted nicely. Just needed a little fettling with a file to get it to move further back with a file. Nothing major at all.

Attatched is my car as it came off the track at the last race I did on grass. Water fall etc emoved to get more rear flex, this really worked and with the new battery system it wasnt needed.

Any questions please ask me. I must stress this car was set up for Grass track in the UK using Schumacher Yellow Cut Staggers on front and Yellow Mini Spikes on the rear, and the set up worked for me.

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Just joined the Xray family with an XB2CE '18, can someone recommend a starting point for gearing? I got a TSR 17.5, track is astroturf medium size
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Originally Posted by m3rcfh
Just joined the Xray family with an XB2CE '18, can someone recommend a starting point for gearing? I got a TSR 17.5, track is astroturf medium size
69 spur 30-32 pinion adjust from there.
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Originally Posted by m3rcfh
Just joined the Xray family with an XB2CE '18, can someone recommend a starting point for gearing? I got a TSR 17.5, track is astroturf medium size
Depends a lot on the track. Are there big jumps right out of a corner, a lot of tight corners, your motor, etc
30/69 is about as high as I gear for most tracks. I have ran as low as 28/78.
Start with something in the middle and check esc & motor temps and how it is handling the track.

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For a TSR motor, you don't want to start that high....start with about a 28/69.
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Originally Posted by Aaron P
For a TSR motor, you don't want to start that high....start with about a 28/69.
Awesome, that's exactly what I wanted to know. Super excited to test that buggy out and see how it drives compared to the b6.1
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Originally Posted by m3rcfh
Awesome, that's exactly what I wanted to know. Super excited to test that buggy out and see how it drives compared to the b6.1
Good luck have fun
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Can some one tell me how many washers I need to put on the rear alum roll center mount to match the stock plastic height,.thank you
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Can some one tell me how many washers I need to put on the rear alum roll center mount to match the stock plastic height,.thank you
I believe 2mm
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So what's the final answer on using AE wheels on the rear, keeping the correct track width? Sorry if it has been asked multiple times, I looked thorough all the XB2 '18 pages and got confused. I understand that with AE wheels and the 4.5 wide hexes end up being too narrow, but can it be done?
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