Sad story: Cheating rampant at big races...
08-05-2014, 11:43 AM
#736
Not like a little tamper proof sticker is going to ruin the party, think everyone would enjoy.
08-05-2014, 12:15 PM
#738
08-05-2014, 12:17 PM
#739
If the majority of racers want a controlled stock class the tracks will provide it. Gather your local racers and approach the track owners politely for their help in controlling the class. I am sure it's really that easy.
08-05-2014, 12:24 PM
#741
Tech Master
08-05-2014, 12:25 PM
#742
Tech Master
08-05-2014, 12:31 PM
#743
.guess you haven't used all the "new" features of the high end radios. .and the gyros actually work..so does the traction control..you just have to figure how to use it..to me the point being racing is not fair..never will be and cheaters will always figure out how to cheat....when you run mod it takes the cheaters out of the equation..for the most..
08-05-2014, 01:24 PM
#744
.guess you haven't used all the "new" features of the high end radios. .and the gyros actually work..so does the traction control..you just have to figure how to use it..to me the point being racing is not fair..never will be and cheaters will always figure out how to cheat....when you run mod it takes the cheaters out of the equation..for the most..Not about stopping or catching cheaters.
We just need to restore the creditability & hopefully slow the speed down a little.
08-05-2014, 01:55 PM
#745
.guess you haven't used all the "new" features of the high end radios. .and the gyros actually work..so does the traction control..you just have to figure how to use it..to me the point being racing is not fair..never will be and cheaters will always figure out how to cheat....when you run mod it takes the cheaters out of the equation..for the most..
08-05-2014, 02:04 PM
#746
5.2.3
The use of traction control sensing devices, active suspension devices, and steering control devices aided by gyroscopes or accelerometers (G-force sensors) of any kind is strictly prohibited. Sensors may be used for the purpose of passive data recording but not for adjusting the performance of the vehicle while in motion.
10.8.2
No onboard traction control or other electronic aids are allowed, other than fail-safe systems.
08-05-2014, 04:03 PM
#747
Not allowed. A couple snips:
5.2.3
The use of traction control sensing devices, active suspension devices, and steering control devices aided by gyroscopes or accelerometers (G-force sensors) of any kind is strictly prohibited. Sensors may be used for the purpose of passive data recording but not for adjusting the performance of the vehicle while in motion.
10.8.2
No onboard traction control or other electronic aids are allowed, other than fail-safe systems.
5.2.3
The use of traction control sensing devices, active suspension devices, and steering control devices aided by gyroscopes or accelerometers (G-force sensors) of any kind is strictly prohibited. Sensors may be used for the purpose of passive data recording but not for adjusting the performance of the vehicle while in motion.
10.8.2
No onboard traction control or other electronic aids are allowed, other than fail-safe systems.
08-05-2014, 04:09 PM
#748
Inductance can be cheated with temp the easiest...there are other ways the manufacture can modify inductance readings on how they construct the motor. There is a reason you can't compare inductance readings between different types of motors....there are other ways to cheat it, but I am not going to post it on a public forum so a bunch of idiots can go try it.
Changing wire sizes doesn't work like you think.....besides, a tech guy is a failure if he can't visually spot the tampered with smaller wire.
Resistance is much harder to cheat, and much easier to spot attempts at it.
From what I am told the Instek GOM 801H is what ROAR uses to measure motors now. Its also what multiple of the Oval groups are using as well. Unless you are using it for tech or to sell motors, a bit overkill though. The MMS or Fantom units, or my soon to be released unit will be well within tolerances for the racers pit box...
Looking at the current list you posted, none of the recently approved motors have inductance listed....
Later EddieO
Changing wire sizes doesn't work like you think.....besides, a tech guy is a failure if he can't visually spot the tampered with smaller wire.
Resistance is much harder to cheat, and much easier to spot attempts at it.
From what I am told the Instek GOM 801H is what ROAR uses to measure motors now. Its also what multiple of the Oval groups are using as well. Unless you are using it for tech or to sell motors, a bit overkill though. The MMS or Fantom units, or my soon to be released unit will be well within tolerances for the racers pit box...
Looking at the current list you posted, none of the recently approved motors have inductance listed....
Later EddieO
Thanks I will check out the 801H meter.
08-05-2014, 04:32 PM
#749
Tech Rookie
Cheating is soo lame I wish there was a way to police it. /:
