SC10 4x4 Thread
#1323
This is not correct.
A bladder shock will have more pack than an emulsion shock, with the same oil and same piston...but thats because the oil doesn't become an emulsified froth in a bladder shock. When the air and oil mix it becomes "lighter" in viscosity. While going lighter in oil increases traction and decreases pack, it does so equally in both style shocks, just far more consistently in a bladder shock as there's no way to correctly gauge the amount of air is actually in your emulsion build, and there's also no changing from start to finish as the oil and air are in different stages of emulsion.
Having a bladder allows you to build your shocks with more, and more consistent rebound. Faster rebound creates more traction as it keeps your tire on the racing surface. It also keeps your shocks consistent from start to finish of a race, as the air and oil never mix.
IMO, there is little, if any, reason to ever do an emulsion build over a bladder build.
A bladder shock will have more pack than an emulsion shock, with the same oil and same piston...but thats because the oil doesn't become an emulsified froth in a bladder shock. When the air and oil mix it becomes "lighter" in viscosity. While going lighter in oil increases traction and decreases pack, it does so equally in both style shocks, just far more consistently in a bladder shock as there's no way to correctly gauge the amount of air is actually in your emulsion build, and there's also no changing from start to finish as the oil and air are in different stages of emulsion.
Having a bladder allows you to build your shocks with more, and more consistent rebound. Faster rebound creates more traction as it keeps your tire on the racing surface. It also keeps your shocks consistent from start to finish of a race, as the air and oil never mix.
IMO, there is little, if any, reason to ever do an emulsion build over a bladder build.
Sorry to correct you ..
The reason bladders have more pack is not due how much air gets mix with the oil ..

When the piston push's up against the bladder that makes more pack .
The piston must stretch the bladder a little to be able to move up inside the shock body....
Remove the bladder and the piston does not have to fight to go up and thus more traction & less pack...
The rebound for the shock can be set the same for both , thus no difference in performance between the two in regards to rebound...
Last edited by Wild Cherry; 05-17-2011 at 09:40 AM.
#1324
No wrong, The overdrive pulley is designed for loose tracks. It is designed to pull your truck out of the corner with the front tires. The sensitivity of your steering in the front is going to be controlled by the weight of your diff fluid. The lighter the fluid the more sensitive your steering is going to be.
I ran both the normal and overdrive this last weekend at our very dry local track. It did help to have the overdrive in to keep the truck strait coming out of corners and going down the straits.
I ran both the normal and overdrive this last weekend at our very dry local track. It did help to have the overdrive in to keep the truck strait coming out of corners and going down the straits.
I said more reactive & more steering..
With the overdrive it pulls more when on power & steer's more coming out of the turn .
The reason I don't recommend the 19T for outdoor is you never really need more steering when outdoors due to bigger turns &
less traction compared to a small indoor track...
#1325
Thank you Jesus, the UPS guy dropped a box off at my house.
Is the Savox 1257 enough servo?
Dimensions(mm): 40.3x20.2x37.2
Weight(g): 52.4
Speed(@4.8V sec/60): .09
Torque(@4.8V oz-in): 111.1
Speed(@6.0V sec/60): .07
Torque(@6.0V oz-in): 138.9
Gear: Titanium & Aluminum
Bearing: 2BB
Case: Aluminum
25 Tooth Spline
or should I wait to get a 1258?
Dimensions(mm): 40.3x20.2x37.2
Weight(g): 52.4
Speed(@4.8V sec/60): .10
Torque(@4.8V oz-in): 133.3
Speed(@6.0V sec/60): .08
Torque(@6.0V oz-in): 166.6
Gear: Titanium & Aluminum
Bearing: 2BB
Case: Aluminum
Is the Savox 1257 enough servo?
Dimensions(mm): 40.3x20.2x37.2
Weight(g): 52.4
Speed(@4.8V sec/60): .09
Torque(@4.8V oz-in): 111.1
Speed(@6.0V sec/60): .07
Torque(@6.0V oz-in): 138.9
Gear: Titanium & Aluminum
Bearing: 2BB
Case: Aluminum
25 Tooth Spline
or should I wait to get a 1258?
Dimensions(mm): 40.3x20.2x37.2
Weight(g): 52.4
Speed(@4.8V sec/60): .10
Torque(@4.8V oz-in): 133.3
Speed(@6.0V sec/60): .08
Torque(@6.0V oz-in): 166.6
Gear: Titanium & Aluminum
Bearing: 2BB
Case: Aluminum
#1328
Needs to be on the outer slipper disc for the rear. The front is fine. Took mine apart after racing this weekend and the rear is defiantly slipping a lot more that the front. My front pad almost looked new the rear (outer) pad had some pretty good glaze on it.
#1330
Thank you Jesus, the UPS guy dropped a box off at my house.
Is the Savox 1257 enough servo?
Dimensions(mm): 40.3x20.2x37.2
Weight(g): 52.4
Speed(@4.8V sec/60): .09
Torque(@4.8V oz-in): 111.1
Speed(@6.0V sec/60): .07
Torque(@6.0V oz-in): 138.9
Gear: Titanium & Aluminum
Bearing: 2BB
Case: Aluminum
25 Tooth Spline
or should I wait to get a 1258?
Dimensions(mm): 40.3x20.2x37.2
Weight(g): 52.4
Speed(@4.8V sec/60): .10
Torque(@4.8V oz-in): 133.3
Speed(@6.0V sec/60): .08
Torque(@6.0V oz-in): 166.6
Gear: Titanium & Aluminum
Bearing: 2BB
Case: Aluminum
Is the Savox 1257 enough servo?
Dimensions(mm): 40.3x20.2x37.2
Weight(g): 52.4
Speed(@4.8V sec/60): .09
Torque(@4.8V oz-in): 111.1
Speed(@6.0V sec/60): .07
Torque(@6.0V oz-in): 138.9
Gear: Titanium & Aluminum
Bearing: 2BB
Case: Aluminum
25 Tooth Spline
or should I wait to get a 1258?
Dimensions(mm): 40.3x20.2x37.2
Weight(g): 52.4
Speed(@4.8V sec/60): .10
Torque(@4.8V oz-in): 133.3
Speed(@6.0V sec/60): .08
Torque(@6.0V oz-in): 166.6
Gear: Titanium & Aluminum
Bearing: 2BB
Case: Aluminum
#1334
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 15,739
From: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Sorry to correct you ..
The reason bladders have more pack is not due how much air gets mix with the oil ..
When the piston push's up against the bladder that makes more pack .
The piston must stretch the bladder a little to be able to move up inside the shock body....Remove the bladder and the piston does not have to fight to go up and thus more traction & less pack...
The rebound for the shock can be set the same for both , thus no difference in performance between the two in regards to rebound...
The reason bladders have more pack is not due how much air gets mix with the oil ..

When the piston push's up against the bladder that makes more pack .
The piston must stretch the bladder a little to be able to move up inside the shock body....Remove the bladder and the piston does not have to fight to go up and thus more traction & less pack...
The rebound for the shock can be set the same for both , thus no difference in performance between the two in regards to rebound...
#1335



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