SC10 4x4 Thread
#1292
#1293
Anyone else have this issue? While building my kit yesterday (Sunday) I noticed one of the front dog bones was not cut to accept the pin that secures it to the axle. I called AE this morning and was told it was the first they had heard of it, but are sending out a replacement right away. Awesome customer service for sure, just hope it arrives quickly so I can hit the track Wednesday night for its maiden voyage.


#1294
I know it was asked a while back but I don't think there was a clear answer...can anybody provide any input regarding the advantage/disadvantage to running the shocks with or without bladders?
I've built them both ways with the supplies in this kit and the only difference appears to be that the non bladder (without removing upper X-Ring) build seem to be a bit more smooth/plush while the one with the bladder is a bit more stiff/less plush. No leak either way assuming you use the correct seal on the cap.
I've built them both ways with the supplies in this kit and the only difference appears to be that the non bladder (without removing upper X-Ring) build seem to be a bit more smooth/plush while the one with the bladder is a bit more stiff/less plush. No leak either way assuming you use the correct seal on the cap.
After reading through this I decided to run with the bladders.
#1295
Has anyone tried the overdrive pulley gear on the front? I run on a fairly big outdoor 1/8 track and tends to get pretty loose when it dries up. I was wondering if running the overdrive gear would help on accelerting to keep the truck straight? Thanks for any ideas.
Don't think the 19T pulley is what your looking for , you would get even more steering coming out of the turns, also steering will feel faster or more reactive.
The 19T pulley best use would be on really small & tight layouts like you find indoors....
#1296
It brings the truck to 300mm. 4mm too wide.
#1297
you will get yours soon enough
#1298
Remove the upper X-Ring, #91055, this will free up the shocks and takes a lot of the stiction away and the shocks will feel much smoother. Don’t forget that the shock cartridge seal tube is directional!
That is in the first page and was suggest by Chris Jarosz from AE.
Try it out and let us know how that works.
That is in the first page and was suggest by Chris Jarosz from AE.
Try it out and let us know how that works.

The single x ring is smoother but still binds you can still feel the lips on the x ring fold in. I also have clearanced the cap for the shock shaft as I feel this is also a little tight. I have o-rings coming that should be here tomorrow. I'll let you and the thread know how they feel and work.
#1300
I've seen a couple of the set up sheets mentioning adding weight to the front left on the chassis... Is there a reason for this? Perhaps to level out the weight of the car? Someone more knowledgeable than I please answer...
#1301
After further investigation. The slipper thrust spacer part number 91090 on the top shaft was machined short. It made the pulley rub the trans case. Thats how i found the problem. I used some shims, and bench tested it. No slippage. Whoever machined these parts need to turn up the chuck pressure on the lathe. Now we have to wait. Or find some shims to take care of this problem.
#1302
Craig, your thread has blown up today! 
The single x ring is smoother but still binds you can still feel the lips on the x ring fold in. I also have clearanced the cap for the shock shaft as I feel this is also a little tight. I have o-rings coming that should be here tomorrow. I'll let you and the thread know how they feel and work.

The single x ring is smoother but still binds you can still feel the lips on the x ring fold in. I also have clearanced the cap for the shock shaft as I feel this is also a little tight. I have o-rings coming that should be here tomorrow. I'll let you and the thread know how they feel and work.

#1303
A bladder shock will have more pack than an emulsion shock, with the same oil and same piston...but thats because the oil doesn't become an emulsified froth in a bladder shock. When the air and oil mix it becomes "lighter" in viscosity. While going lighter in oil increases traction and decreases pack, it does so equally in both style shocks, just far more consistently in a bladder shock as there's no way to correctly gauge the amount of air is actually in your emulsion build, and there's also no changing from start to finish as the oil and air are in different stages of emulsion.
Having a bladder allows you to build your shocks with more, and more consistent rebound. Faster rebound creates more traction as it keeps your tire on the racing surface. It also keeps your shocks consistent from start to finish of a race, as the air and oil never mix.
IMO, there is little, if any, reason to ever do an emulsion build over a bladder build.
Last edited by Ridley; 05-17-2011 at 01:51 AM.
#1304
Lots of guys asked for a Losi SCTE vs AE SC10
4x4 report from someone who races/owns both so here it is
I raced my SC10 4x4 on my home track that I've been racing my Losi SCTE
on so I could get a good test between the two.
#1 both run 2S 5600 60C,both RX8 ESC, both 4,5 550 motors the SCTE I
have a Novak 4.5 because it needs more torque then the AE. The AE I have
a Tekin 4.5 for a smoother power delivery. Same servo in both 7955TG Hitec
over kill yes but built proof IMO.
#2 both trucks are using DE SCTE wheels which (fit perfect on both)
Losi set up is silver springs all 4 corners stock pistons 40WT front 30WT
rear. 2.5mm sway bar rear,2.0mm sway bar front. Diffs 5,000 frt,5,000
center,3,000 rear
AE set up is Stock springs all 4 corners stock pistons 35WT front 30WT
rear. 2.5 mm sway bar rear 2.0mm sway bar front. Diffs 10,000 frt 5,000
rear. 4 wd full time 20/20 belt gears.
So now heres the driving.
#1 thing I noticed right away is the Losi jumped way better then the AE.
Now that is with silver springs on the Losi which jumped as bad as the AE
when it had stock springs. (got to be honest here) Give me springs for the
AE and I'm sure I can solve this on the AE also.
#2 The AE accelerates much harder the the Losi even with the higher
torque motor in the Losi. The AE will wheelie out of corners at will. This
looks cool but the Losi will put the power down flat at all times, the AE
you must think about how much throttle you give it out of corners.
#3 turn in, both are good here with the AE maybe having an edge but
the Losi is not running stock springs to get it there like the AE.
#4 Center corner speed has to go to the AE in all types of corners. It's
lighter with the same sway bars which gives a bit more speed in the center
IMO.
#5 exit corner speed. The AE has more on power tighter steering ability
then the Losi which can be good or a bad thing depending on how you
tend to drive. You can bind the AE up coming out with to much power
which will never happen on the Losi. You need more throttle control with
the AE to turn tight under power and not scrub speed.
#6 Braking. The Losi brakes rock solid straight and will stand on it's nose
hard (reverse wheelie) very locked in. The AE on the other hand skips the
belt at max braking and gets skidish IMO. Have to shoot straight here also.
The AE does not require as hard of braking as the Losi because it's lighter
then the Losi.So you won't probably have a problem braking even with the
Losi using less brake on the AE.
#7 stibility over bumps on power Both are awsome on power in bumps but
the Losi is a tick smoother.
#8 stibility over bumps off power the Losi is slightly better here but not a
bunch IMO
#9 stibility over bumps on brakes the Losi wins hands down (BUT) again
it is running silver springs not stock ones. I could do wonders with this
AE if I had different springs to choose from for it.
#10 slick track conditions Losi wins hands down stock or silver springs
the Losi is rock solid on slick. The AE is not bad but it does feel twitchy
some times.
#11 med grip track they both rock IMO they just rock different. AE is a little
twitchier then the Losi but a good twitchy if this makes sence to anyone.
IE: the AE is very responscive, the Losi you plan moves in advance is the
best way I can discribe this.
There was two new AE SC10 4x4's at the track with mine (no sway bars)
The local fast guys that dominate the class's they run all said my AE was
hands down the best out of the 3. They said mine was more planted and
solid looking all the way around the track. I respect what these guys have
to say about handling of cars/trucks, plus I beat the two other AE's by a
bunch and one is a much better driver then me. The Losi's I beat weekly
with my Losi SCTE I still beat by the same distance with my AE SC10 4x4
so IMO if I adapted my driving to the AE I was just as fast as I was with
my Losi but I have to drive them totally different to go that fast.
Bottom line IMO: Their both great trucks and will win their share of races.
I think driving style will dictate which truck you like to drive better. They
will both require tuning and tuning parts to get the best out of them but
they will both be the best on any giving days in the hands of drivers that
their driving style suits a givin truck.
I like them both, time will tell what I like better for my driving style. For
now I'll race them both and keep working on them til I feel I''m getting
the most out of them.
Nice job by both Losi & AE IMO...
Thank you both of you"
4x4 report from someone who races/owns both so here it is
I raced my SC10 4x4 on my home track that I've been racing my Losi SCTE
on so I could get a good test between the two.
#1 both run 2S 5600 60C,both RX8 ESC, both 4,5 550 motors the SCTE I
have a Novak 4.5 because it needs more torque then the AE. The AE I have
a Tekin 4.5 for a smoother power delivery. Same servo in both 7955TG Hitec
over kill yes but built proof IMO.
#2 both trucks are using DE SCTE wheels which (fit perfect on both)
Losi set up is silver springs all 4 corners stock pistons 40WT front 30WT
rear. 2.5mm sway bar rear,2.0mm sway bar front. Diffs 5,000 frt,5,000
center,3,000 rear
AE set up is Stock springs all 4 corners stock pistons 35WT front 30WT
rear. 2.5 mm sway bar rear 2.0mm sway bar front. Diffs 10,000 frt 5,000
rear. 4 wd full time 20/20 belt gears.
So now heres the driving.
#1 thing I noticed right away is the Losi jumped way better then the AE.
Now that is with silver springs on the Losi which jumped as bad as the AE
when it had stock springs. (got to be honest here) Give me springs for the
AE and I'm sure I can solve this on the AE also.
#2 The AE accelerates much harder the the Losi even with the higher
torque motor in the Losi. The AE will wheelie out of corners at will. This
looks cool but the Losi will put the power down flat at all times, the AE
you must think about how much throttle you give it out of corners.
#3 turn in, both are good here with the AE maybe having an edge but
the Losi is not running stock springs to get it there like the AE.
#4 Center corner speed has to go to the AE in all types of corners. It's
lighter with the same sway bars which gives a bit more speed in the center
IMO.
#5 exit corner speed. The AE has more on power tighter steering ability
then the Losi which can be good or a bad thing depending on how you
tend to drive. You can bind the AE up coming out with to much power
which will never happen on the Losi. You need more throttle control with
the AE to turn tight under power and not scrub speed.
#6 Braking. The Losi brakes rock solid straight and will stand on it's nose
hard (reverse wheelie) very locked in. The AE on the other hand skips the
belt at max braking and gets skidish IMO. Have to shoot straight here also.
The AE does not require as hard of braking as the Losi because it's lighter
then the Losi.So you won't probably have a problem braking even with the
Losi using less brake on the AE.
#7 stibility over bumps on power Both are awsome on power in bumps but
the Losi is a tick smoother.
#8 stibility over bumps off power the Losi is slightly better here but not a
bunch IMO
#9 stibility over bumps on brakes the Losi wins hands down (BUT) again
it is running silver springs not stock ones. I could do wonders with this
AE if I had different springs to choose from for it.
#10 slick track conditions Losi wins hands down stock or silver springs
the Losi is rock solid on slick. The AE is not bad but it does feel twitchy
some times.
#11 med grip track they both rock IMO they just rock different. AE is a little
twitchier then the Losi but a good twitchy if this makes sence to anyone.
IE: the AE is very responscive, the Losi you plan moves in advance is the
best way I can discribe this.
There was two new AE SC10 4x4's at the track with mine (no sway bars)
The local fast guys that dominate the class's they run all said my AE was
hands down the best out of the 3. They said mine was more planted and
solid looking all the way around the track. I respect what these guys have
to say about handling of cars/trucks, plus I beat the two other AE's by a
bunch and one is a much better driver then me. The Losi's I beat weekly
with my Losi SCTE I still beat by the same distance with my AE SC10 4x4
so IMO if I adapted my driving to the AE I was just as fast as I was with
my Losi but I have to drive them totally different to go that fast.
Bottom line IMO: Their both great trucks and will win their share of races.
I think driving style will dictate which truck you like to drive better. They
will both require tuning and tuning parts to get the best out of them but
they will both be the best on any giving days in the hands of drivers that
their driving style suits a givin truck.
I like them both, time will tell what I like better for my driving style. For
now I'll race them both and keep working on them til I feel I''m getting
the most out of them.
Nice job by both Losi & AE IMO...
Thank you both of you"


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