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TomErickson 04-06-2013 08:42 AM

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Slight modification to layout to reduce potential belt interference. I added the loop to avoid short circuits when removing the wires.

Shark413 04-06-2013 09:10 AM

I picked up my SC10 4x4 when it first came out and ran it for 6 months. When the FT came out I picked one up. I have gone heavier (ExoTek, lead weight, saddles, etc) but after driving a Prolite I wanted to also go lightweight with my SC10 4x4. I got it down to 5lbs 8oz, and to get to this weight I have to run a single shorty pack. Anybody have any feedback using a single shorty pack in a lightweight SC10 4x4? Will the shorty be enough to power the Castle 3800 and give me 7 min runtime?

Specs: SC10 FT 4x4, MMP, Castle 3800, 4100mah shorty pack.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps3500cb33.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...psc5398b88.jpg

Wild Cherry 04-06-2013 09:40 AM

Shark

What I like about the shorty is you have the option to add extra ballast if needed or tune lite for improved jumping landings..:cool:

Shark413 04-06-2013 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Wild Cherry (Post 12016202)
Shark

What I like about the shorty is you have the option to add extra ballast if needed or tune lite for improved jumping landings..:cool:

WC, yes one of the benefits of having a lighter weight truck is you have the option of adding ballast where you need it. And I find with a lighter truck a little ballast has a bigger impact on balance/performance.

9turn 04-06-2013 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by Shark413 (Post 12016110)
I picked up my SC10 4x4 when it first came out and ran it for 6 months. When the FT came out I picked one up. I have gone heavier (ExoTek, lead weight, saddles, etc) but after driving a Prolite I wanted to also go lightweight with my SC10 4x4. I got it down to 5lbs 8oz, and to get to this weight I have to run a single shorty pack. Anybody have any feedback using a single shorty pack in a lightweight SC10 4x4? Will the shorty be enough to power the Castle 3800 and give me 7 min runtime?

Specs: SC10 FT 4x4, MMP, Castle 3800, 4100mah shorty pack.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps3500cb33.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...psc5398b88.jpg

Seven minutes not be a problem the truck I've made eight with less

AzFittin 04-06-2013 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Shark413 (Post 12016110)
I picked up my SC10 4x4 when it first came out and ran it for 6 months. When the FT came out I picked one up. I have gone heavier (ExoTek, lead weight, saddles, etc) but after driving a Prolite I wanted to also go lightweight with my SC10 4x4. I got it down to 5lbs 8oz, and to get to this weight I have to run a single shorty pack. Anybody have any feedback using a single shorty pack in a lightweight SC10 4x4? Will the shorty be enough to power the Castle 3800 and give me 7 min runtime?

Specs: SC10 FT 4x4, MMP, Castle 3800, 4100mah shorty pack.


You should be fine. I run mine at 5lbs 12oz with an Pro4 4600 (had a bit better run time with the 3800 but wanted more motor) and have never had an issue making 10 minutes. That is with either the HVR 4000mAh or the Reedy 4000mAh batteries.

Original post was here if you are bored. I have since switched to an rx8 and still have no issues making 10 minutes.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/11129060-post28691.html

Wild Cherry 04-06-2013 01:03 PM

Track size can make big differences in run time.

On bigger layouts runtime is shorter because your full power a lot more compared to a smaller layout.

Cain 04-06-2013 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by CaseyDDR (Post 12014194)
This was me btw :)

lol. nice vehicle. if its the one I am thinking of I almost bought it myself.


Originally Posted by CaseyDDR (Post 12014693)
A lot of whining here, but you're telling me that AFTER the upgrades the truck ISN'T worth it? I can pull just as fast of laps as our fastest guys now and they actually gained respect for the car. Did I buy all the stuff new myself? No. But for 170$ shipped I got a much better roller than a stock Losi which are completely over hyped/costed.

Don't be angry it doesn't fit your driving style of plug and play, I think the reason some of us like it is because of the tinker factor it takes.

The main thing that matters is if you are faster with a different vehicle are not. Same with changes, etc. If you find you are faster with mod X versus Y, does it really matter if Joe Blow Pro driver doesn't feel that change will work?

Me, and I know I will get flak for this but I feel with the right upgrades and going in with an open mind as far as issues with the vehicle you can be very fast with it. Just don't do the ostrich routine when it comes to known issues.

One in particular is big jump handling as mentioned concerning Max's run by another driver. It was common from what they said from him to not triple a section compared to other vehicles that could. He found it was faster to single double from what I recall was said. If that is true, well, if it works for him great. The true test though would be if you do this with one car versus another, are faster with that method or clearing it all?



Originally Posted by rcmania74 (Post 12014865)
Looking For Some Help With Gearing I Have A New Ft With Tekin 4.5 SX Motor ANd orion Vortex R10 Pro Esc Trakpower Saddle Pack.... Running A 14 Tooth Pinion .... Does NotSeem To Clear Large Jumps well Im RunningOutdoorOn A Pretty Good Sized Track With Low Traction.... Do I Need To Go Up A Tooth OnMy pinion

Can you elaborate on what do you mean by clearing the jumps well? Do you feel you have enough power? Do you find the vehicle is going more nose up, down etc?

As WC assumed, and i will too, it may be you feel you don't have enough punch? You can go with a smaller pinion and do timing at a higher RPM range for top end. This can give you back the punch you need while still giving you the top end RPM. If that isn't sufficient, look into a motor known for having more punch, like a Pro4 motor. If not running roar rules and you like the 550 size, heck, see if you can find a 4 pole 550.


Originally Posted by dominick i. (Post 12015843)
watch this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJJ26jnhf4M

you will learn that:

a. max works on his cars and constantly tunes them to his liking
b. he can drive well
c. that track has 1/8th style jumps and the sc10 4x4 is getting around without losing traction, and none of that "dirt track" type sliding that some other brand display from being overpowered.

I'm building my car now for outdoors and am looking forward to running it in Tekno/losi land.

btw, i did notice on all of his setups he runs the shock bladders, not emulsion. makes sense with big jumps.

nice vid. like the jump he did at 1:38. Do you know if he was running the pistons mentioned in his recent setup or stock AE ones?


Originally Posted by Shark413 (Post 12016110)
I picked up my SC10 4x4 when it first came out and ran it for 6 months. When the FT came out I picked one up. I have gone heavier (ExoTek, lead weight, saddles, etc) but after driving a Prolite I wanted to also go lightweight with my SC10 4x4. I got it down to 5lbs 8oz, and to get to this weight I have to run a single shorty pack. Anybody have any feedback using a single shorty pack in a lightweight SC10 4x4? Will the shorty be enough to power the Castle 3800 and give me 7 min runtime?

Specs: SC10 FT 4x4, MMP, Castle 3800, 4100mah shorty pack.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps3500cb33.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...psc5398b88.jpg

I think you will be fine Shark. Looking forward to hearing what you find . Hey, any thoughts on centering the speedo and receiver more on the chassis?

Shark413 04-06-2013 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by 9turn (Post 12016497)
Seven minutes not be a problem the truck I've made eight with less

Hey thanks for the quick reply. Hopefully I can get out on the track tomorrow.

Shark413 04-06-2013 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by AzFittin (Post 12016508)
You should be fine. I run mine at 5lbs 12oz with an Pro4 4600 (had a bit better run time with the 3800 but wanted more motor) and have never had an issue making 10 minutes. That is with either the HVR 4000mAh or the Reedy 4000mAh batteries.

Original post was here if you are bored. I have since switched to an rx8 and still have no issues making 10 minutes.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/11129060-post28691.html

Good info, besides the lighter weight running shorty packs they get more weight up front compared to saddles in a heavier truck.

Shark413 04-06-2013 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Cain (Post 12016686)
lol. nice vehicle. if its the one I am thinking of I almost bought it myself.



The main thing that matters is if you are faster with a different vehicle are not. Same with changes, etc. If you find you are faster with mod X versus Y, does it really matter if Joe Blow Pro driver doesn't feel that change will work?

Me, and I know I will get flak for this but I feel with the right upgrades and going in with an open mind as far as issues with the vehicle you can be very fast with it. Just don't do the ostrich routine when it comes to known issues.

One in particular is big jump handling as mentioned concerning Max's run by another driver. It was common from what they said from him to not triple a section compared to other vehicles that could. He found it was faster to single double from what I recall was said. If that is true, well, if it works for him great. The true test though would be if you do this with one car versus another, are faster with that method or clearing it all?




Can you elaborate on what do you mean by clearing the jumps well? Do you feel you have enough power? Do you find the vehicle is going more nose up, down etc?

As WC assumed, and i will too, it may be you feel you don't have enough punch? You can go with a smaller pinion and do timing at a higher RPM range for top end. This can give you back the punch you need while still giving you the top end RPM. If that isn't sufficient, look into a motor known for having more punch, like a Pro4 motor. If not running roar rules and you like the 550 size, heck, see if you can find a 4 pole 550.



nice vid. like the jump he did at 1:38. Do you know if he was running the pistons mentioned in his recent setup or stock AE ones?



I think you will be fine Shark. Looking forward to hearing what you find . Hey, any thoughts on centering the speedo and receiver more on the chassis?

Cain, I wanted more weight on the right side to help offset the motor being more on the left side. But I have not put the truck on the scales to see exactly what the weight distribution is. Also I have to remount the esc anyways because the kyosho anti-vibration servo tape is too thick and the esc is too close to the belt.

AzFittin 04-06-2013 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Shark413 (Post 12016782)
Cain, I wanted more weight on the right side to help offset the motor being more on the left side. But I have not put the truck on the scales to see exactly what the weight distribution is. Also I have to remount the esc anyways because the kyosho anti-vibration servo tape is too thick and the esc is too close to the belt.

Shark,

If you want your balance left to right as close to equal as possible there is all kinds of good info throughout this thread. For me I found moving the shorty all the way right to be the best balance. Just by moving the battery around I was able to get almost exactly 50/50 side to side. The front to back can be adjusted to but with the battery alone I was never able to get it closer than 46/54. CraigMBA as well as others have posted a ton on shock setup and balancing so if you really want to do some reading it may be worth looking at some of his posts.



Originally Posted by Wild Cherry (Post 12016657)
Track size can make big differences in run time.

On bigger layouts runtime is shorter because your full power a lot more compared to a smaller layout.

Cherry, for comparison I run on an 80x60 outdoor, loose course.

Wild Cherry 04-06-2013 03:30 PM

KZ

Get 12 to 13 min @ Trcr
Using Reedy 5200 saddle

carver gt 04-06-2013 09:14 PM

I am wanting a great setup sheet for a Large indoor track, medium-high traction, med-large jumps and a 100ft+ staight. I currently am running a Reedy 550 5.5 motor. If anyone could help with suspension, and drivetrain setups i would greatly appreciate it.
Cheers

rcmania74 04-06-2013 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by Wild Cherry (Post 12015805)
Welcome to our thread


Suggest you gear down a tooth , 12T is a very common size used on 4.5 .
Also check the slipper , make sure its adjusted correctly..

12t Is Not Fast Enough Outdoor. Im Running A 14..Started With.A 12.. My.motor Also Has The Oversized Rotor For More torque


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