5LikesSC10 4x4 Thread
08-12-2012 | 10:15 PM
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From: Norcal
Adding weight. I am going to try to add some weight to my truck tomorrow and balance left to right etc. I've read some post but no one is really that specific on where to place the weights, (besides front side's of the servo) especially sense I'm still running the brick on the side of the truck. Really don't have the cash to be getting some saddle pack batteries. Purpose of this is to stop roll over in the turns. I've played with different sway bars, springs, shock weight and heights. Any advice would be helpful.
The front weight helps keep the front wheels on the ground. and it's low, which is good.
*I found that on fast sweepers, the inner front wheel may leave the ground, because of the stiff anti roll bar.
my truck, before adding the weight, has 45:55 F/R weight distribution.
08-12-2012 | 11:15 PM
If you are running stick packs on the RH side, 1 1/2 oz to 2 1/2 oz in the LF of the chassis (on the wall behind the servo) depending on what motor you have.
Try searching this thread, I've probably posted that info a dozen times. And you didn't ask, but adding weight is not going to help your traction roll situation.
Try searching this thread, I've probably posted that info a dozen times. And you didn't ask, but adding weight is not going to help your traction roll situation.
08-13-2012 | 06:39 AM
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From: So Cal High Desert
I reread your post. You never mentioned getting hit while standing off course, so I apologize for assuming something that didn't happen.
I got taken off my feet at the Encino Velodrome about ten years ago while I was running from turn two to help another car in the backstretch infield. While I was running down there, somebody else got it wrong and got me (I had my back turned). That was the last time I ever ran with traffic to help somebody, and the last time I turned my back on on coming cars. Ever.
I got yelled at on Friday for not turn marshaling somebody because they crashed in no mans land (a double with a fence on one side and another double in the opposing lane) when it wasn't safe to get the crashed car, and when I went out to marshal for the mains, I got yelled at by the same driver for attempting to stand in the infield at the start to better cover that spot because "they can't see" and later I got yelled at by the same driver because somebody crashed in my corner, and the only safe place to head to was the other straight because at least four trucks were headed down the main straight, and again, they "Couldn't see". When I went over to talk about it after the race (he won) the situation didn't get any better (I heard him call me an idiot by name). He's not new, and neither am I. And if somebody local to me wants to know who the jerk is, send me a PM or call me.
I guess I'm still a little sore about it, but I'm not putting myself in harms way for somebody's race car, toy or otherwise. Nor do I expect another turn marshal to do it. And nothing frosts me anymore than hitting a marshal while I'm on track because they aren't paying attention.
Turn marshal safety is something I absolutely take seriously.
I got taken off my feet at the Encino Velodrome about ten years ago while I was running from turn two to help another car in the backstretch infield. While I was running down there, somebody else got it wrong and got me (I had my back turned). That was the last time I ever ran with traffic to help somebody, and the last time I turned my back on on coming cars. Ever.
I got yelled at on Friday for not turn marshaling somebody because they crashed in no mans land (a double with a fence on one side and another double in the opposing lane) when it wasn't safe to get the crashed car, and when I went out to marshal for the mains, I got yelled at by the same driver for attempting to stand in the infield at the start to better cover that spot because "they can't see" and later I got yelled at by the same driver because somebody crashed in my corner, and the only safe place to head to was the other straight because at least four trucks were headed down the main straight, and again, they "Couldn't see". When I went over to talk about it after the race (he won) the situation didn't get any better (I heard him call me an idiot by name). He's not new, and neither am I. And if somebody local to me wants to know who the jerk is, send me a PM or call me.
I guess I'm still a little sore about it, but I'm not putting myself in harms way for somebody's race car, toy or otherwise. Nor do I expect another turn marshal to do it. And nothing frosts me anymore than hitting a marshal while I'm on track because they aren't paying attention.
Turn marshal safety is something I absolutely take seriously.
Mark Smith
08-13-2012 | 06:41 AM
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From: So Cal High Desert
Probably does have to do with the big race at wcrc, caliber of drivers, lack of marshaling, all of the above... that sucks. I drove at OC once, not as bad of a day as yours, but nothing like a day at wcrc. Really stinks your crew made the drive on a bad day but hopefully I can get out to wcrc next time your out. Has always been a good day there 
Where are you at? Palm Desert area? Or Palmdale area?
Where are you at? Palm Desert area? Or Palmdale area?
08-13-2012 | 07:18 AM
Sigh
*Puts on Flame resistant suit and braces for the striking of matches.
I ran Kody's setup today and the truck was dialed, layout was different so can't compare lap-times though. Truck was consistent and stable but was it better than the Rcshox/3rd part setup - short answer - no, was it worse, no, it was basically the same but less twitchy and less corner speed. All evened out in the end. There are obviously two ways to skin a cat here and both work equally well. But that begs the question - Is there a magical combination of RCshox parts and a dialed AE setup? I'm going to try and find out.
My track is a bumpy, dusty medium sized 1/8 outdoor track.
As for tires, well, 7 trucks in the 4x4 Amain and 6 different treads so as of now (track's first year) nobody knows lol.
*Puts on Flame resistant suit and braces for the striking of matches.
I ran Kody's setup today and the truck was dialed, layout was different so can't compare lap-times though. Truck was consistent and stable but was it better than the Rcshox/3rd part setup - short answer - no, was it worse, no, it was basically the same but less twitchy and less corner speed. All evened out in the end. There are obviously two ways to skin a cat here and both work equally well. But that begs the question - Is there a magical combination of RCshox parts and a dialed AE setup? I'm going to try and find out.
My track is a bumpy, dusty medium sized 1/8 outdoor track.
As for tires, well, 7 trucks in the 4x4 Amain and 6 different treads so as of now (track's first year) nobody knows lol.
I thought they did, but I don't see them on their site.
Avid makes a really nice +3 rim though.
http://www.avidrc.com/product/2/whee...-B-wheels.html
Avid makes a really nice +3 rim though.
http://www.avidrc.com/product/2/whee...-B-wheels.html
You can get your glue to last longer by keeping it in the fridge.
+1 Craig, I feel that being a marshall at any track, indoor or out, can be a very dangerous situation. Then add an idiot in the mix and you have a potential ugly situation. As with you,I have been hit on multiple occasions even when paying attention and off the lane. I would rather not even go onto the track but most facilities do not provide marshals for us.
Mark Smith
Mark Smith
And, if you are the idiot who will stay on throttle when I try to flip you, I will just wait for you to stop (I do raise a hand to give notice though that I am ready to flip you, just get off the dam throttle).
No testing this weekend, few things came up and the weather wasn't fully cooperative for what I was trying to simulate.
08-13-2012 | 07:20 AM
Yes, It's not so much the Rcshox one is twitchy, it's actually not that bad. It's aggressive. The AE one is smooth. The AE one is just very stable but can't really put the power done in the turns like you can with a C-diff.
All of this is IMO.
All of this is IMO.
08-13-2012 | 07:23 AM
Do you think the AE setup with the Center diff could give the best of both worlds? Maybe the RC Shox shock setup too, but then say linkage and shock position setups from AE?
08-13-2012 | 07:35 AM
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Cain , I have watched more then one driver have to take that thing off cus of its lack of performance.
So I don't even what to test or even have one near my truck ...
Best of luck plugging the thing guy ....
So I don't even what to test or even have one near my truck ...
Best of luck plugging the thing guy ....
08-13-2012 | 07:36 AM
You sound like me, however I'm keeping the 4x4 and just shelf it for now. Loving buggy more and more every time I run it. The crazy part is I'm faster with my buggy then I am with my 4x4 sct. So I truly believe slower is faster. The power I was putting down with my sct I'm thinking I was just not able to control as well as I can with running stock class on my buggy.........
08-13-2012 | 07:52 AM
but to each his own.
I figured that as a racer you would have at least tried it, even if it meant wheeling someone else's vehicle to see if there was a benefit. At least, that is what I would have done as I want that advantage if there is one, and it makes easier to comment on something by actually trying it versus speculation.
08-13-2012 | 07:54 AM