Team Associated B7 and B7D
#1053
BuggyFan21
1) I don't think I overgeared
2) I did not adjust anything on my Hobbywing G4 17.5 motor, so I cannot answer this too
1) I don't think I overgeared
2) I did not adjust anything on my Hobbywing G4 17.5 motor, so I cannot answer this too
#1054
Tech Master
iTrader: (17)
More importantly though, Ethan Hoskins TQd and won with a B7 in 17.5, proving the platform is awesome in stock and the “5-gear isn’t good for stock” naysayers are totally wrong.
In fact, the TOP 6 in 17.5 were all B7s (maybe more, I’m not familiar with the 7-10th place drivers)
#1055
Tech Regular
Silverbullet555 thank you for your advice on post #1050
Really appreciate it.
I no longer use the 17.5 motor.
I use Surpass V3 10.5T motor with 21T pinion gear, 78T spur gear to run my B7., no issue on this motor
Really appreciate it.
I no longer use the 17.5 motor.
I use Surpass V3 10.5T motor with 21T pinion gear, 78T spur gear to run my B7., no issue on this motor
#1057
Tech Regular
#1058
Tech Master
Was speaking to John at rc octane on Tuesday about under servo weights as he had randomly said you’d been in contact. Do you really think the weight will make that much difference. Had the weights in my 6.3 and never removed it to test. Have you tried the fusion fronts instead of the cut staggers? Make any difference?
(was meant to quote RogerM. Seems I’ve forgotten how to use forums)
(was meant to quote RogerM. Seems I’ve forgotten how to use forums)
So far my prefered options for static weight distribution in various conditions are (my LiPos weigh 152g on average for reference);
Wet astro:- 11g aluminium ESC weight, 20g under LiPo in middle position 3 (need to update my setup sheet to reflect this now I've tested it)
Dry astro:- 33g steel ESC weight, 32g under LiPo in mid-forward position 2 (limited running and keep in mind that tracks aren't fully dry at this time of the year in the UK)
Carpet :- 15g TMG under servo weight + 2 x 5g weights, one either side of servo mount, 33g steel ESC weight 32g under Lipo in forward 1 position
There is extra drag in the transmission, the kit bearings feel very heavily greased which won't be helping the stock guys.
I've become paranoid about breaking my rear C-Block (it doesn't appear there are any spares available in the UK)
It appears I have 2 choices:
1. Put the C-Block on back to front and use a smaller spacer on the arm - what do people think of this?
2. Get some slightly longer hinge pins - does anyone know the optimimal length?
I don't have a spare 2WD car and I'm going to the MKGP next week - hence the caution...!
It appears I have 2 choices:
1. Put the C-Block on back to front and use a smaller spacer on the arm - what do people think of this?
2. Get some slightly longer hinge pins - does anyone know the optimimal length?
I don't have a spare 2WD car and I'm going to the MKGP next week - hence the caution...!
2. I'd use longer pins anyway, 3.5mm drill blanks cut down to 50.75mm will be perfect for use with 0deg toe, can probably run a touch longer (51mm ish) with the kit C-block in the 1deg toe position.
When I got the car home and checked it over the transmission drag had increased noticeably, 2 bearings had started to go bad, 1 had been binding enough to polish the idler shaft. I will be changing all the transmission bearings out for ceramics when I rebuild it.
Another point of note is that the mesh is much tighter on the internal gears than the B6 series transmission, this means anything gets in causes big trouble as nowhere to go. Somehow, probably when rebuilding the diff before the meeting, a tiny spec of dirt had got in and was wedged in the final idler teeth. Transmission sounded like it was about to disintegrate, stripped down and found then cleaned the contaminated idler gear along with all others and it was back to being beautifully smooth again. No hint of the bearing issues I spotted after just 5 more runs.
#1059
Tech Master
Found out that a single step on the front ARB is very effective on the B7, way more than shifting the whole range on the B6
#1060
Tech Elite
#1062
Tech Addict
Lots of really good tuning and optimization learned at the Desert Classic.
I can do a deeper debrief if someone really wants it...but this is the quick over view of what i learned in tuning the car this weekend.
The chassis likes symmetrical shocks. White/White, Grey/Grey, Blue/Blue, or only one step up in the front if the track gets edgy. Like, Blue/Grey. I ended up on Grey/Grey. (Also played with 1up Red/Gold, which is a Grey/Grey equivalent, but they seemed a little more reactive at the limit, and i didnt like that)
Shock Oils make a huge difference in the cars handling. Controlling the Yaw and Pitching Moment, thanks to the centralized weight of the car, really matters. I went as high as 37.5, and as low as 27.5. I ended up with 32.5F/27.5R
In that same vein, shock pistons played a crucial role as well. Slightly bigger does seem better. I ended up the weekend with 1.6/[email protected] Front, and 1.8/1.9/[email protected] Rear.
If your diff isnt dialed...your car will handle like shit. Break it in carefully and properly.
Soft brake settings help the car rotate tremendously. I didnt play with it much because i was testing too many other things, but i am seriously going to look into incorporating some drag brake for this layout because of the 180's.
And the biggest "A'Ha!" Moment for the B7 of the weekend...Anti-Squat! The car is completely changed in how it accelerates and generates rear grip with just a .5 degree C Block change. If you have an issue with the car not wanted to accelerate cleanly...add in some anti squat. It actually settles the car more than toe in does. And i will even be experimenting with less toe when i play with the drag brake.
Mid corner speed was tremendous. Absolutely no hesitation in throwing the car hard into turn one. And going nearly full throttle into the little ski jump before turn two, landing almost at the apex of turn two. I was actually carrying so much speed that it was easy to over jump the triple. Took some restraint to not just send it.
Overall, the car is coming together nicely. There is still some tweaking to get it right, i think messing with front end weight will be the next little project to experiment with.
No if they could jsut fix the gearbox screw hole issue for the D Block, the hinge pin issue, and make the front bulkhead out of something other that forged aluminum pot metal...the car will be dialed.
I can do a deeper debrief if someone really wants it...but this is the quick over view of what i learned in tuning the car this weekend.
The chassis likes symmetrical shocks. White/White, Grey/Grey, Blue/Blue, or only one step up in the front if the track gets edgy. Like, Blue/Grey. I ended up on Grey/Grey. (Also played with 1up Red/Gold, which is a Grey/Grey equivalent, but they seemed a little more reactive at the limit, and i didnt like that)
Shock Oils make a huge difference in the cars handling. Controlling the Yaw and Pitching Moment, thanks to the centralized weight of the car, really matters. I went as high as 37.5, and as low as 27.5. I ended up with 32.5F/27.5R
In that same vein, shock pistons played a crucial role as well. Slightly bigger does seem better. I ended up the weekend with 1.6/[email protected] Front, and 1.8/1.9/[email protected] Rear.
If your diff isnt dialed...your car will handle like shit. Break it in carefully and properly.
Soft brake settings help the car rotate tremendously. I didnt play with it much because i was testing too many other things, but i am seriously going to look into incorporating some drag brake for this layout because of the 180's.
And the biggest "A'Ha!" Moment for the B7 of the weekend...Anti-Squat! The car is completely changed in how it accelerates and generates rear grip with just a .5 degree C Block change. If you have an issue with the car not wanted to accelerate cleanly...add in some anti squat. It actually settles the car more than toe in does. And i will even be experimenting with less toe when i play with the drag brake.
Mid corner speed was tremendous. Absolutely no hesitation in throwing the car hard into turn one. And going nearly full throttle into the little ski jump before turn two, landing almost at the apex of turn two. I was actually carrying so much speed that it was easy to over jump the triple. Took some restraint to not just send it.
Overall, the car is coming together nicely. There is still some tweaking to get it right, i think messing with front end weight will be the next little project to experiment with.
No if they could jsut fix the gearbox screw hole issue for the D Block, the hinge pin issue, and make the front bulkhead out of something other that forged aluminum pot metal...the car will be dialed.
#1063
Lots of really good tuning and optimization learned at the Desert Classic.
I can do a deeper debrief if someone really wants it...but this is the quick over view of what i learned in tuning the car this weekend.
The chassis likes symmetrical shocks. White/White, Grey/Grey, Blue/Blue, or only one step up in the front if the track gets edgy. Like, Blue/Grey. I ended up on Grey/Grey. (Also played with 1up Red/Gold, which is a Grey/Grey equivalent, but they seemed a little more reactive at the limit, and i didnt like that)
Shock Oils make a huge difference in the cars handling. Controlling the Yaw and Pitching Moment, thanks to the centralized weight of the car, really matters. I went as high as 37.5, and as low as 27.5. I ended up with 32.5F/27.5R
In that same vein, shock pistons played a crucial role as well. Slightly bigger does seem better. I ended up the weekend with 1.6/[email protected] Front, and 1.8/1.9/[email protected] Rear.
If your diff isnt dialed...your car will handle like shit. Break it in carefully and properly.
Soft brake settings help the car rotate tremendously. I didnt play with it much because i was testing too many other things, but i am seriously going to look into incorporating some drag brake for this layout because of the 180's.
And the biggest "A'Ha!" Moment for the B7 of the weekend...Anti-Squat! The car is completely changed in how it accelerates and generates rear grip with just a .5 degree C Block change. If you have an issue with the car not wanted to accelerate cleanly...add in some anti squat. It actually settles the car more than toe in does. And i will even be experimenting with less toe when i play with the drag brake.
Mid corner speed was tremendous. Absolutely no hesitation in throwing the car hard into turn one. And going nearly full throttle into the little ski jump before turn two, landing almost at the apex of turn two. I was actually carrying so much speed that it was easy to over jump the triple. Took some restraint to not just send it.
Overall, the car is coming together nicely. There is still some tweaking to get it right, i think messing with front end weight will be the next little project to experiment with.
No if they could jsut fix the gearbox screw hole issue for the D Block, the hinge pin issue, and make the front bulkhead out of something other that forged aluminum pot metal...the car will be dialed.
I can do a deeper debrief if someone really wants it...but this is the quick over view of what i learned in tuning the car this weekend.
The chassis likes symmetrical shocks. White/White, Grey/Grey, Blue/Blue, or only one step up in the front if the track gets edgy. Like, Blue/Grey. I ended up on Grey/Grey. (Also played with 1up Red/Gold, which is a Grey/Grey equivalent, but they seemed a little more reactive at the limit, and i didnt like that)
Shock Oils make a huge difference in the cars handling. Controlling the Yaw and Pitching Moment, thanks to the centralized weight of the car, really matters. I went as high as 37.5, and as low as 27.5. I ended up with 32.5F/27.5R
In that same vein, shock pistons played a crucial role as well. Slightly bigger does seem better. I ended up the weekend with 1.6/[email protected] Front, and 1.8/1.9/[email protected] Rear.
If your diff isnt dialed...your car will handle like shit. Break it in carefully and properly.
Soft brake settings help the car rotate tremendously. I didnt play with it much because i was testing too many other things, but i am seriously going to look into incorporating some drag brake for this layout because of the 180's.
And the biggest "A'Ha!" Moment for the B7 of the weekend...Anti-Squat! The car is completely changed in how it accelerates and generates rear grip with just a .5 degree C Block change. If you have an issue with the car not wanted to accelerate cleanly...add in some anti squat. It actually settles the car more than toe in does. And i will even be experimenting with less toe when i play with the drag brake.
Mid corner speed was tremendous. Absolutely no hesitation in throwing the car hard into turn one. And going nearly full throttle into the little ski jump before turn two, landing almost at the apex of turn two. I was actually carrying so much speed that it was easy to over jump the triple. Took some restraint to not just send it.
Overall, the car is coming together nicely. There is still some tweaking to get it right, i think messing with front end weight will be the next little project to experiment with.
No if they could jsut fix the gearbox screw hole issue for the D Block, the hinge pin issue, and make the front bulkhead out of something other that forged aluminum pot metal...the car will be dialed.
The comment around anti-squat has been interesting since I’ve spoken to a few people who don’t seem to like the added anti-squat. I’ve been running middle down in c/d and it’s felt solid and planted but can get a little squirly when accelerating hard out of a corner, so I might give it a shot.
This car is an absolute monster on mid/high speed corners. It carries speed so well, and is so stable while hitting bumps/jumps when cornering at speed too.
#1064
Tech Rookie
Morning, I am sure I’ve seen this issue mentioned else where but now can’t find it. I got the b7 out drives for the ball diff so I could make up a ball diff from parts. As it happened I forgot the diff balls so had to cannibalise an old diff. All was well although it did loosen a bit in use. Today I started a fresh rebuild and have the issue of the lugs on the lock nut folding up. I assume this is because the out drives are bigger than the old ones. I overcome the issue by reusing the old b6.1 lock nut which was fine, it must be stronger as it’s a different plastic, white as opposed to yellow. The problem is as it’s old the plastic no longer holds the thread tight so during breaking in the diff it comes loose. I am currently seeing if threadlock will help for now but any ideas how to overcome the issue until we get b7 specific diff parts. Otherwise I might end up not being able to run a ball diff which is very much needed in the uk at the moment. Thanks
#1065
Does the optional carbon transmission case resolve the gearbox hole spacing issue?