Originally Posted by heretic

Hi escman and/or Novaktwo

I am in the process of setting up a 2s kinetic for my buddy who can't read english ;-). We have an indoor race coming up next week ( temporary track) and no time to fiddle around for 30 runs to try and figure out what to do.

I have been through the last 20 pages of this thread and haven't been able to find a consistent starting point for 10.5 rubber TC. My buddy is a very skilled driver (I never say that, seriously) so he doesn't want the least HP left on the pit table.

Soooo : here is all the relevant info I can gather

Straight :20-25 meters ( 60-75 feet)
Carpet, medium grip, MM32 tires
usually the layout is really tech in the infield.
Motor is Orion 10.5, 2s obviously

What would be a decent starting point? Not the absolute best but a guarantee not to ruin the first race of the winter season by being lost in the ESC settings. He's coming from a SPX as a previous ESC so he'd like something that at least matches that... for starters ;-)

The info required :

starting FDR (8-ish ?)
Boost mode : off or on ? Delay ?
timing set point
max timing RPM
Timing level
drive frequency

The timing RPM default presets are very puzzling : the preset for 10.5 and 2s indicates Start 2000 Max 4000 which is inconsistent with the advised 4000 RPM gap that you're supposed to have between the two.


Thanks for your help.

PS we want info and not opinions here, so if anyone wants to chime in be welcome, as long as you have a respectable amount of experience with this ESC. This post is supposed to be for the Novak staff mainly. Thanks.

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

Today, we have added the Kinetic Upgrade options to our ESC Trade-In Program:

TeamNovak ESC Trade-In Program

Novak customers can return any speed control we have ever offered---brush or brushless---and upgrade to either our Kinetic 2S or our Kinetic 1S. If you wish to add a NovaLink, see program details.

Originally Posted by Steve UK

A quick intro of who I represent , I am the Novak UK onroad Team Manager and worked with novak on the R+D for the kinetic, the info I am about to give you is tailored specifically to 10.5 rubber touring , car weight 1350g , without using novalink, which is the easiest way for a new user to programme without getting cfg files, here is our reccomendation for on board programming method by way of a 17 digit number. 111881411363112_1 where the _ relates to the hall sensor field and as such has no value, default in kinetic is shown in instruction booklet, enter the number in the 17 fields in the order as the instructions , you only need to change the fields that differ to the grey default values in the manual, with 30 deg static timing in motor and geared at 7.5 overall ratio for indoor. We obviously use the ballistic 10.5 , but that speedo setting is very agressive and has been used to great sucess at the UK nationals, lapping to within half a second of the top modified unlimited supertouing class on some circuits, and powering three of our drivers into overall top ten positions, almost winning outright in the drivers championship but winning the team title. Be sure to watch your motor temps. Ballistics to be kept below 90c .! This setting will be very fast but smooth to drive with nice feeling brakes I can assure you of that. Way faster than any any spx can manage, and better than anything else. Gm,Speedpassion or Tekin, with excellent launch and zero cogging. Keep us posted as to how you get on with it.
Steve

Originally Posted by Steve UK

A quick intro of who I represent , I am the Novak UK onroad Team Manager and worked with novak on the R+D for the kinetic, the info I am about to give you is tailored specifically to 10.5 rubber touring , car weight 1350g , without using novalink, which is the easiest way for a new user to programme without getting cfg files, here is our reccomendation for on board programming method by way of a 17 digit number. 111881411363112_1 where the _ relates to the hall sensor field and as such has no value, default in kinetic is shown in instruction booklet, enter the number in the 17 fields in the order as the instructions , you only need to change the fields that differ to the grey default values in the manual, with 30 deg static timing in motor and geared at 7.5 overall ratio for indoor. We obviously use the ballistic 10.5 , but that speedo setting is very agressive and has been used to great sucess at the UK nationals, lapping to within half a second of the top modified unlimited supertouing class on some circuits, and powering three of our drivers into overall top ten positions, almost winning outright in the drivers championship but winning the team title. Be sure to watch your motor temps. Ballistics to be kept below 90c .! This setting will be very fast but smooth to drive with nice feeling brakes I can assure you of that. Way faster than any any spx can manage, and better than anything else. Gm,Speedpassion or Tekin, with excellent launch and zero cogging. Keep us posted as to how you get on with it.
Steve

Originally Posted by JBM Racing

Boost set to max and timing starting at 4000RPM, if I was using the Novalink software what end RPM should I use?

Originally Posted by heretic

MMkay, thanks a million for the quick answer.
I am not sure to understand where to enter the 17 digits you gave me? If I understand well, that is a digit-string that avoids mentionning every single parameter I could want to alter ? I will go throught the manual again to see if I can get a better understanding. Thanks again for your help.

maxime

Originally Posted by Steve UK

When programming using novalink, we currently set the end rpm to the recommended 2500 stagger for 10.5 , (a larger stagger is used with a different profile for the lower winds).
The full timing will be applied at 6500 if start is set to 4000, this gives the car chance to start the lift from the corner on no applied timing other than the 30deg on the motor, as apex rpm's on tight hairpins are usually about 2500/3000 , once the car is exiting the corner the dynamic timing is being applied and is fully in by 6500 rpm, the car will have lots of rip, even on short straights, ie indoor.

Steve

Originally Posted by dvaid852456

When testing my motor with a data logger the rev range seems to be from 0-20,000RPM. From actual running I've found the motor to bog down if the start and end timings are too low.

I've been advised by various people to widen the RPM range to something more like 7,500-20,000. Even on the slowest corner on our track the motor is running at 5000 RPM so your suggested settings would be throwing 55* of timing at a motor that is still spooling up and will reach top revs around 20,000. If the end RPM is 6,500 what happening for the other 13,500?

Are such low timing points really the best bet? It seems that you will just be running the motor at 30* on the can plus 55* dynamic advance pretty much 100% of the time. Won't this just create more heat, surely the rev range should be wider and the end RPM set much higher?

Originally Posted by JBM Racing

I am really interested in this area of discussion, I too have been struggling with how to set the rev range. Seems at the track higher RPM end point means less temp and less punch. Can anybody answer the above post, look forward to some good reading.

Originally Posted by dvaid852456

Me too, it seems like a bit of a black art. I used 55* timing with RPM start 9100 GM 10.5 geared at 6.4 when I first had the ESC and everything seemed awesome, very fast. But with no lack of performance the car stopped after 2 minutes and the motor windings had melted - 110 *C and a dead motor???

Since then I've tried to stay conservative as I'm afraid of melting another motor. It seems that to be able to get near modified performance you will be killing motors. Some people I race with regularly get their motors up to the high 90's. I'd be happier sticking at 80*C but is it just the way stock racing is going. Back to the squeeze every ounce out of kit and bin it after 2 race meetings?

Originally Posted by microcrazy24

Hi Guys,

I saw it on rctvlive.com and have just a couple of questions.
The pc novak link looks just like a regular usb cord is that correct? Can I use one that I already have?
will novak have updates on software like tekin does now? Can i get it for free?

thanks