Novak Kinetic
09-07-2010, 01:15 AM
#766
Tech Regular
im assuming the indoors u mean a carpet track, as this plays a roll in track conditions(increases load on mtr during excel. aka less wheel spin) carpet also doesnt have the high surface temps as concrete wich are all factors in how you can sett up your car so i would start here
FDR 5.2-5.4
start 6900(if car boggs raise start and end in small amounts evenly)
end 13800
55 timing boost off(if the stait is short)
mtr timing 32.5(1/2 way to first line)
current limiter 3 (1 and 2 only produce more heat)
thr profile default 2( sometimes i make this more aggrsve)
a large fan will help keep temps in check
our carpet track is currently the pit area for the outdoor tracks. so there hasnt been anywhere to test. anything i can do to help let me know
FDR 5.2-5.4
start 6900(if car boggs raise start and end in small amounts evenly)
end 13800
55 timing boost off(if the stait is short)
mtr timing 32.5(1/2 way to first line)
current limiter 3 (1 and 2 only produce more heat)
thr profile default 2( sometimes i make this more aggrsve)
a large fan will help keep temps in check
our carpet track is currently the pit area for the outdoor tracks. so there hasnt been anywhere to test. anything i can do to help let me know
Yes you're right indoors on carpet - you say motor timing... assuming this means physical timing on the motor and is 2.5 degrees more than standard does that make much difference. I just have never played with physical timing recently.
Last edited by scoyle; 09-07-2010 at 01:22 AM. Reason: Added thanks :-)
09-07-2010, 07:21 AM
#767
yes you are right,helps add a little POP for those low speed corners.
09-07-2010, 03:09 PM
#768
ESCMAN- just an idea but how about a small notebox somewhere so users can write gearing and track info for a saved profile. that would be SWEET!!!
09-08-2010, 06:20 AM
#770
Well guys, I just ran a 17.5T SP with the new Kinetic, kept up with the Tekins, with some guessed settings:
V1.3 software.
Small Track
Xray T2009 Internal Ratio 6.9
Speed Passion 17.5T got to 60 Deg C
Start timing 4000RPM, end 15000RPM, 55 deg no boost.
During the club night, tried lowering the internal ratio (6.5) but car went slower. I was thinking of keeping the internal ratio and moving the start timing to 6000RPM and 17000RPM with 55 deg no boost. or maybe I should have tried the default 4000RPM to 12000RPM?
What do you think? Whats the best way to tune this beast? I was thinking about buying the Novak Sentry data logger to workout what the motor RPM gets up.
V1.3 software.
Small Track
Xray T2009 Internal Ratio 6.9
Speed Passion 17.5T got to 60 Deg C
Start timing 4000RPM, end 15000RPM, 55 deg no boost.
During the club night, tried lowering the internal ratio (6.5) but car went slower. I was thinking of keeping the internal ratio and moving the start timing to 6000RPM and 17000RPM with 55 deg no boost. or maybe I should have tried the default 4000RPM to 12000RPM?
What do you think? Whats the best way to tune this beast? I was thinking about buying the Novak Sentry data logger to workout what the motor RPM gets up.
09-08-2010, 06:29 AM
#771
Well guys, I just ran a 17.5T SP with the new Kinetic, kept up with the Tekins, with some guessed settings:
V1.3 software.
Small Track
Xray T2009 Internal Ratio 6.9
Speed Passion 17.5T got to 60 Deg C
Start timing 4000RPM, end 15000RPM, 55 deg no boost.
During the club night, tried lowering the internal ratio (6.5) but car went slower. I was thinking of keeping the internal ratio and moving the start timing to 6000RPM and 17000RPM with 55 deg no boost. or maybe I should have tried the default 4000RPM to 12000RPM?
What do you think? Whats the best way to tune this beast? I was thinking about buying the Novak Sentry data logger to workout what the motor RPM gets up.
V1.3 software.
Small Track
Xray T2009 Internal Ratio 6.9
Speed Passion 17.5T got to 60 Deg C
Start timing 4000RPM, end 15000RPM, 55 deg no boost.
During the club night, tried lowering the internal ratio (6.5) but car went slower. I was thinking of keeping the internal ratio and moving the start timing to 6000RPM and 17000RPM with 55 deg no boost. or maybe I should have tried the default 4000RPM to 12000RPM?
What do you think? Whats the best way to tune this beast? I was thinking about buying the Novak Sentry data logger to workout what the motor RPM gets up.
It would be good to know the revs actually used around a given track. Might look at the sentry data logger too.
09-08-2010, 06:30 AM
#772
Just a little more help to understand....
So Adnon sent me the new brain board and I installed it. Lights actually work now. Shouldn't the kinetic work right out of the box without the parameters set? Shouldn't the defaults work for most applications?
So I tried to run the kinetic in my slash 4x4 with the ballistic 5.5 motor. Without changing any of the default settings, the truck runs for 3-4 minuets then the motor seems to shut down. the ESC lights appear to be working correctly. When I apply full throttle, the light turns green. I have re calibrated the transmitter to the ESC but still no action. Why would it work for just a few minuets then shut down? the motor is not even the slightest bit warm. If I unplug my 2s lipo for a while, then replug, the truck works again for a few mins, then shuts down a gain. Keep in mind the esc still has power, however, very little current seems to be going to the motor.
So I go to the novalink software and plug in the esc. It gives me an initial warning that the start RPM is out of range, the end RPM is out of range, the boost is out of range, etc...but there are no boxes to adjust this information. Am I crazy?
So I am a day away from shipping the whole damn thing back. What am I doing wrong?
I know there are several NOVAK techs that read this forum.....tell me what to put in the boxes and make this thing run! I run on a track similar to Hot Rod Hobbies. I don't want anything fancy at this point, I just want the $400+ I spent on a speed control and motor to actually run for an entire race.
Please help!
So I tried to run the kinetic in my slash 4x4 with the ballistic 5.5 motor. Without changing any of the default settings, the truck runs for 3-4 minuets then the motor seems to shut down. the ESC lights appear to be working correctly. When I apply full throttle, the light turns green. I have re calibrated the transmitter to the ESC but still no action. Why would it work for just a few minuets then shut down? the motor is not even the slightest bit warm. If I unplug my 2s lipo for a while, then replug, the truck works again for a few mins, then shuts down a gain. Keep in mind the esc still has power, however, very little current seems to be going to the motor.
So I go to the novalink software and plug in the esc. It gives me an initial warning that the start RPM is out of range, the end RPM is out of range, the boost is out of range, etc...but there are no boxes to adjust this information. Am I crazy?
So I am a day away from shipping the whole damn thing back. What am I doing wrong?
I know there are several NOVAK techs that read this forum.....tell me what to put in the boxes and make this thing run! I run on a track similar to Hot Rod Hobbies. I don't want anything fancy at this point, I just want the $400+ I spent on a speed control and motor to actually run for an entire race.
Please help!
09-08-2010, 06:34 AM
#773
So Adnon sent me the new brain board and I installed it. Lights actually work now. Shouldn't the kinetic work right out of the box without the parameters set? Shouldn't the defaults work for most applications?
So I tried to run the kinetic in my slash 4x4 with the ballistic 5.5 motor. Without changing any of the default settings, the truck runs for 3-4 minuets then the motor seems to shut down. the ESC lights appear to be working correctly. When I apply full throttle, the light turns green. I have re calibrated the transmitter to the ESC but still no action. Why would it work for just a few minuets then shut down? the motor is not even the slightest bit warm. If I unplug my 2s lipo for a while, then replug, the truck works again for a few mins, then shuts down a gain. Keep in mind the esc still has power, however, very little current seems to be going to the motor.
So I go to the novalink software and plug in the esc. It gives me an initial warning that the start RPM is out of range, the end RPM is out of range, the boost is out of range, etc...but there are no boxes to adjust this information. Am I crazy?
So I am a day away from shipping the whole damn thing back. What am I doing wrong?
I know there are several NOVAK techs that read this forum.....tell me what to put in the boxes and make this thing run! I run on a track similar to Hot Rod Hobbies. I don't want anything fancy at this point, I just want the $400+ I spent on a speed control and motor to actually run for an entire race.
Please help!
So I tried to run the kinetic in my slash 4x4 with the ballistic 5.5 motor. Without changing any of the default settings, the truck runs for 3-4 minuets then the motor seems to shut down. the ESC lights appear to be working correctly. When I apply full throttle, the light turns green. I have re calibrated the transmitter to the ESC but still no action. Why would it work for just a few minuets then shut down? the motor is not even the slightest bit warm. If I unplug my 2s lipo for a while, then replug, the truck works again for a few mins, then shuts down a gain. Keep in mind the esc still has power, however, very little current seems to be going to the motor.
So I go to the novalink software and plug in the esc. It gives me an initial warning that the start RPM is out of range, the end RPM is out of range, the boost is out of range, etc...but there are no boxes to adjust this information. Am I crazy?
So I am a day away from shipping the whole damn thing back. What am I doing wrong?
I know there are several NOVAK techs that read this forum.....tell me what to put in the boxes and make this thing run! I run on a track similar to Hot Rod Hobbies. I don't want anything fancy at this point, I just want the $400+ I spent on a speed control and motor to actually run for an entire race.
Please help!
The errors seem pretty standard the first time you connect the esc.
Definately update to Software version 1.3 both the software on your PC and the firmware on the ESC. I had soooooo many problems with version 1.1, mainly with the transmitter points being messed up when programming from the novalink.
Last edited by dvaid852456; 09-08-2010 at 06:45 AM.
09-08-2010, 06:37 AM
#774
David,
I have the current 1.3 versions for both. The low voltage protection is on, but it might be set to 6.4 and not 6.2. I will have to check on that.
I have the current 1.3 versions for both. The low voltage protection is on, but it might be set to 6.4 and not 6.2. I will have to check on that.
09-08-2010, 06:41 AM
#775
Not sure then dude. 6.4V should be okay. Anywhere around 6V is good.
Hopefully a Novak tech can help. Drop them an email, they were pretty helpfull with my probs.
Hopefully a Novak tech can help. Drop them an email, they were pretty helpfull with my probs.
09-08-2010, 07:27 AM
#776
09-08-2010, 08:06 AM
#778
Dear Novak, please update the Brushless Motor Gearing Guide for the 25.5. Thanks!
09-08-2010, 09:33 AM
#779
I'm having a hard time working out what rev range is best. I know the max rpm of my 10.5 is about 28000 but does it ever get near this on the track under load?
It would be good to know the revs actually used around a given track. Might look at the sentry data logger too.
It would be good to know the revs actually used around a given track. Might look at the sentry data logger too.
What's the best way to set the timing advance and rev ranges once I have the data from the data logger? I will be able to see the max RPM on the main straight but what about the start RPM.
Also, should I do a run with no timing as a reference point?
I suppose over time and several recordings the current information will be useful as if I'm over geared or have too much timing the current draw will be much higher.
09-08-2010, 11:05 AM
#780
Tech Regular
im assuming the indoors u mean a carpet track, as this plays a roll in track conditions(increases load on mtr during excel. aka less wheel spin) carpet also doesnt have the high surface temps as concrete wich are all factors in how you can sett up your car so i would start here
FDR 5.2-5.4
start 6900(if car boggs raise start and end in small amounts evenly)
end 13800
55 timing boost off(if the stait is short)
mtr timing 32.5(1/2 way to first line)
current limiter 3 (1 and 2 only produce more heat)
thr profile default 2( sometimes i make this more aggrsve)
a large fan will help keep temps in check
our carpet track is currently the pit area for the outdoor tracks. so there hasnt been anywhere to test. anything i can do to help let me know
FDR 5.2-5.4
start 6900(if car boggs raise start and end in small amounts evenly)
end 13800
55 timing boost off(if the stait is short)
mtr timing 32.5(1/2 way to first line)
current limiter 3 (1 and 2 only produce more heat)
thr profile default 2( sometimes i make this more aggrsve)
a large fan will help keep temps in check
our carpet track is currently the pit area for the outdoor tracks. so there hasnt been anywhere to test. anything i can do to help let me know
Motor: Ballistic 10.5 at 30 degree (default)
FDR 7.45
start 6000
end 12000
55 timing boost on
current limiter 1
thr profile default 2(custom)