Team Associated TC5
#1456
Originally Posted by Sean B.
This is the part that REALLY sucks.
I know you guys are all about making a buck, but why do companies (AE is famous for this) work on a car to get it dialed and then when it's time for production they cheap out on the parts (especially the bearings) ; yet charge a premium price.
And then, maybe a year down the road they finally release the "good" "Factory" parts and charge an even more premium price
Why not just make a good car and sell it?
Obviously there will be rolling changes to improve the design over time; but things like aluminum hex's instead of plastic, sway-bars, or any of the aluminum or trick parts that you use in the prototypes, but leave off the production car
You got me the last two times AE
no more no more
I know you guys are all about making a buck, but why do companies (AE is famous for this) work on a car to get it dialed and then when it's time for production they cheap out on the parts (especially the bearings) ; yet charge a premium price.
And then, maybe a year down the road they finally release the "good" "Factory" parts and charge an even more premium price
Why not just make a good car and sell it?
Obviously there will be rolling changes to improve the design over time; but things like aluminum hex's instead of plastic, sway-bars, or any of the aluminum or trick parts that you use in the prototypes, but leave off the production car
You got me the last two times AE
no more no more
#1457
Tech Master
iTrader: (13)
Originally Posted by Sean B.
This is the part that REALLY sucks.
I know you guys are all about making a buck, but why do companies (AE is famous for this) work on a car to get it dialed and then when it's time for production they cheap out on the parts (especially the bearings) ; yet charge a premium price.
And then, maybe a year down the road they finally release the "good" "Factory" parts and charge an even more premium price
I know you guys are all about making a buck, but why do companies (AE is famous for this) work on a car to get it dialed and then when it's time for production they cheap out on the parts (especially the bearings) ; yet charge a premium price.
And then, maybe a year down the road they finally release the "good" "Factory" parts and charge an even more premium price
1) One-way assembly (if needed)
2) Spool (if needed)
3) caster block options (2* x 6*)
4) battery strap option (if preferred)
5) rear-toe block options (2* x 3*)
6) ITF chassis set (if needed)
7) VCS2 shock upgrade (if desired)
i think thats it... that was all that could be added to a box stock FT TC4. doesnt seem like a huge list... and for certain applications some of these don't even apply...
#1458
Originally Posted by Rick Hohwart
To clarify, the top plate I use is the standard plate that will come with the car. A more flexible plate (thinner, different design) could be used for asphalt or rubber on carpet if more traction was necessary.
Thanks Rick,
I thought you were using a stiffer top plate for the carpet races and that the stock top plate could be used for asphalt or rubber on carpet ...my bad...Now I know and knowing is half the battle.
Later
Kevin Boyle
Last edited by Kevin Boyle; 01-18-2007 at 08:56 AM.
#1459
Originally Posted by Kevin Boyle
Thanks Rick,
I thought you were using stiffer top plate for the carpet races and that the stock top plate could be used for asphalt or rubber on carpet ...my bad...Now I know and knowing is half the battle.
Later
Kevin Boyle
I thought you were using stiffer top plate for the carpet races and that the stock top plate could be used for asphalt or rubber on carpet ...my bad...Now I know and knowing is half the battle.
Later
Kevin Boyle
#1460
Originally Posted by Rick Hohwart
The TC5 will, as far as I know, come as a FT version from the beginning.
#1461
Super Moderator
iTrader: (81)
What about a tub type of chassis like Hot Bodies sells for their Cyclone? Would you prefer that over Fiberglass or whatever material is like on the T2R? Just curious.
Last Tuesday at the track there was a (carpet) 007 running rubber tires at the track and it pretty much dominated all the other rubber tire cars there. So for those that think they absolutely need to get a special chassis to run rubber tires on carpet just try the car as it comes. You might be surprised. Asphalt...that might be another story though.
Kraig
KT Hobbies
Last Tuesday at the track there was a (carpet) 007 running rubber tires at the track and it pretty much dominated all the other rubber tire cars there. So for those that think they absolutely need to get a special chassis to run rubber tires on carpet just try the car as it comes. You might be surprised. Asphalt...that might be another story though.
Kraig
KT Hobbies
#1462
Tech Initiate
Hi all,
Rick dont forget me and the other Guys here in europe. I need:
- Solid Axle (Spool) MultiDiff???
- more Flex in the Top Deck, or Top Deck where u can choose how Stiff it is.
- 5 Cell Chassie
i think thats all :-)
Greetings,
Marcel
Rick dont forget me and the other Guys here in europe. I need:
- Solid Axle (Spool) MultiDiff???
- more Flex in the Top Deck, or Top Deck where u can choose how Stiff it is.
- 5 Cell Chassie
i think thats all :-)
Greetings,
Marcel
#1463
Tech Master
Originally Posted by ShaunMac
Let's hope so. Later AE can introduce the "budget-friendly" TEAM car with fiberglass chassis and so on...
#1464
Asphalt rubber need a fairly flex chassis. Of course you can run carpet spec chassis on asphalt rubber, but it would be hard to setup, and margin of good setup is very narrow. For pro driver and those who has tons of time trying setup it might be ok, but for most of us weekend racer it's a bad idea.
From photos I collected, the chassis probably too stiff for loose asphalt. 2.5mm chassis and 2mm 2F is best for loose asphalt.
Btw,
From photos, it looks like motor mount is seperated piece with left rear bulkhead. Anyone can confirm they are seperated or one piece?
From photos I collected, the chassis probably too stiff for loose asphalt. 2.5mm chassis and 2mm 2F is best for loose asphalt.
Btw,
From photos, it looks like motor mount is seperated piece with left rear bulkhead. Anyone can confirm they are seperated or one piece?
#1465
Tech Initiate
Is there a confirmed name yet for the vehicle yet? And will it be designed for asphalt or carpet? Sorry, but reading through 49 pages would take hours.
John
John
#1466
Tech Rookie
AE has an ad on the back cover of the RCCA magazine that came in the mail thi sweek which features a black car (so no details) sitting in what is made to appear a warehouse with "TC5" and "Area 51" written on the back wall. So it appears that is the name they are running with.
I can't wait to order one and see the difference between shaft and belt carpet club racing.
I can't wait to order one and see the difference between shaft and belt carpet club racing.
#1467
Tech Initiate
Hopefully we'll see something before or at rc expo march 31 / april 1..
#1468
Tech Master
Originally Posted by ttso
For pro driver and those who has tons of time trying setup it might be ok, but for most of us weekend racer it's a bad idea.
At the DHI cup, there was 2 rounds of practice. On a new lay-out that no-one have tryed before, and with 200 drivers, the traction was very different each round. From there, you have 5 qualifiers, and 3 of them counted.
You can never test or find a perfect set-up at any practice, while practicing at home.
Testing on other track, with another carpet, in different humidity/heat, where other tire additives work, is far from optimizing for any other race.
Usually, itīs about learning the carasteristcs, so you are able to adapt quickly during the race.
So the basics need to be right from the start, and the process for that is called development. From that on, all drivers, no matter if it is a Pro or novis, need a simple car.
Last edited by Anders Myrberg; 01-19-2007 at 06:37 AM.
#1469
Originally Posted by Anders Myrberg
Well, thatīs not realy true.
At the DHI cup, there was 2 rounds of practice. On a new lay-out that no-one have tryed before, and with 200 drivers, the traction was very different each round. From there, you have 5 qualifiers, and 3 of them counted.
You can never test or find a perfect set-up at any practice, while practicing at home.
Testing on other track, with another carpet, in different humidity/heat, where other tire additives work, is far from optimizing for any other race.
Usually, itīs about learning the carasteristcs, so you are able to adapt quickly during the race.
At the DHI cup, there was 2 rounds of practice. On a new lay-out that no-one have tryed before, and with 200 drivers, the traction was very different each round. From there, you have 5 qualifiers, and 3 of them counted.
You can never test or find a perfect set-up at any practice, while practicing at home.
Testing on other track, with another carpet, in different humidity/heat, where other tire additives work, is far from optimizing for any other race.
Usually, itīs about learning the carasteristcs, so you are able to adapt quickly during the race.
Instead of spend time/effort to correct the problem cause by chassis, it would be much easier to use right chassis type for different surface, and spend the valuable time on fine tune setting.
#1470
Tech Master
Originally Posted by ttso
I do agree with you the surface change all the time and it's all about adapting at the end. However if you run no-flex chassis on loose asphalt, the margin for good setting is really really small and very hard to find, sometimes cant even get one (setting is right in part of track, but poor in others). And running flex chassis on carpet is same troublesome as well.
Instead of spend time/effort to correct the problem cause by chassis, it would be much easier to use right chassis type for different surface, and spend the valuable time on fine tune setting.
Instead of spend time/effort to correct the problem cause by chassis, it would be much easier to use right chassis type for different surface, and spend the valuable time on fine tune setting.
Because it does not always work according to logic. Sometimes a softer car is better even if you run foam, and oposite you can sometimes run stiffer settings with rubber.
Guidlines are OK, but please have in mind one of the most important things, and that is that knowledge about your car, not your friends, or competitors, no matter brand, is the key to the success. Ability to think complex, and being able to alanyze, in order to quickly find the right way to a better set-up after one practice run. Yes, indeed, you need a good basic set up, but have in mind that itīs what work for you, thatīs count. And you hardly never do that by looking at other, and there set-up sheets. The trick is to have them asking for yours Then, you are at least one step ahead of them
Last edited by Anders Myrberg; 01-19-2007 at 08:55 AM.