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Instruction manuals: (C/O BentKa)

Xray XB2 Carpet Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...ual_v2_low.pdf

Xray XB2 Dirt Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...w.pdf?update=2

BentKa: Carpet Edition 4 gear to 3 gear laydown conversion parts:
  • Gearbox #323014
  • Motorplate #324012
  • 36T idler gear #324236
  • Brace for waterfall #324031


Socket: Bodies Available:

Xray has two OEM bodies, the .75mm and the .50mm light weight:
light weight: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-xb...329701/p492942

OEM .75mm: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-0....329700/p477762

Also, I've fitted the yz2 body, both the light and regular fit fine, just make your own cut lines:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...z2-101/p417674


[i] J Concepts S2 Body [i]


Penguin Racing makes a high grip body that fits the DE and CE:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Ray-Xb2-Hi...oAAOSw1S9WewHV



Socket: Wheel fitment:

According to some, you'll require different offset rear hexes to use B5M wheels. According to my Hudy setup board, B5M wheels are the same offset. I measured the overall width of the car with XB2 wheels, and then again with B5M wheels, same measurement.

On the front, B5M wheels were 1.5mm wider. Xray offers hexes to reduce width -.75 on each side, or you could spend 3-5 minutes and sand your OEM hexes down .75mm.

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here are the hubs for losi and AE

for AE Front 365354 -0.75
for Losi rear 365358 +3.00 (4 stripe)
for AE rear 365359 +3.75 (5 stripe) or add 1.5mm carbon avid spacers



Socket: Flex and the XB2:

Flex screws are as follows:

Plastic bulkhead between motor and waterfall. Can remove screw in chassis, or remove bulkhead altogether.

Waterfall has 4 screws, can remove the inner two or outer two. IIRC, removing the inner two provides more flex, and thus more bite.

Removing the battery brace. This gives a tremendous amount of flex on the middle of the car, and can sometimes be inconsistent. I do this for outdoor racing on low bite. I like the feel over the 4 gear in 17.5 racing, since the 4 gear will take some snap away off the corner.

Rear C block - has inner and outer screws. I haven't played with this, as it's a crucial pivot point of the car.

Medium arms and towers -> I don't believe the carpet car has the rear medium tower available, however the DE DOES have an optional hard part. I think the hard parts are more consistent, especially when it gets hot (90+ degrees F). However, the medium parts do NOT break unless you're severely talented. They also don't wear out.



Socket: Avid/Schelle Slipper mod:

Credit to WillS, Matt Trimmings, and myself for figuring this out months ago.

Parts you'll need:

B5M V2 3gear compatible top shaft.
TKO Special 5x13x5 bear OR 5x13x6 bearing Either can work. This replaces the spur side bearing on the top shaft.
5mm shims, same shims used in 1/8th scale clutch bells. Look for protek .1mm and .2mm kit.
Avid or Schelle b5m top shaft kit, with spur gears of your choosing. (DE can't handle a 69, the CE can)

Shimming: You'll need to install the bearing in the front portion of the removable piece for the shaft. Make sure the bearing is pushed all the way in. With the TKO bearing, you'll need to shim approximately 1.4mm on the front side of the top shaft. Roughly .3-.5mm with the other bearing. This is a "feel" and tolerance setting. I urge you to watch videos about setting clutch bell play in 1/8th scale to get an idea of what yield you want for end play. Too tight, it'll eat bearings.

Outside of trans case: Use Avid/Schelle top shaft spacer plus .2mm shim to offset slipper from motor plate perfectly. Install slipper as instructed, and use Avid/Schelle spring and XB2 slipper nut.

- NEW - Schelle now sells Xb2 Topshafts. They include a spacer, so no need for shims in gearbox, and comes with the smaller bearing. Both methods work.

Socket: Yokomo Differential or MIP pucks:

Credit to: WillS for figuring out pucks, and as well fitting the Losi 22 diff with the same mods.

Parts needed: Yokomo Bmax2 or YZ2 complete diff OR Mip PUCKS outdrives
Xb2 diff gear
Bmax2 V3 Worlds rear dog bones, or Bmax 2 pucks dog bones
You'll use XB2 axles, and will require no other mods for the axles or dog bones.
You'll need .2mm outdrive/diff shims. Shim approximately .5mm on each side of the diff, behind the bearings. The top portion of the transmission is what "sets" the diff in place, not the bottom half. A little play back and forth is fine, the stock diff has some play from the factory.

dgrobe2112: CE to DE conversion:
along with the parts needed.. you MUST have these following hardware, or it wont work

https://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/do...conversion.pdf

(3) XRAY 902340 M3x40 button head screws. these are the screws that mount the motor mount to the tranny
(4) XRAY 903322 M3x22 counter sunk screws. these are for the rear diff case, to mount to the chassis. i think i used some M3x18 and they worked ok.

Socket: Best method for setting up the XB2 ball diff:

The XB2 diff is stellar when setup correctly. The spring is too short and soft, allowing the diff to slip. You'll need to glue the rings to the outdrives with just a drop of CA, then add a 1mm shim between the spring and the outdrive. This preloads the spring and stops the diff from slipping so easily.

OR, you can run the AE diff spring, which is both slightly longer, and stiffer. The overwhelming issue is the stock spring allows the nut to bottom out on the outdrive before the diff is tight enough.

This shim:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-al...a303122/p12070

This diff spring (don't need a shim, then.)

https://www.teamassociated.com/parts...thrust_spring/

Functional Aftermarket parts: (Not just bling!)

Servo Horn: (The B5M sized horns are too short to get full throw)
https://www.amainhobbies.com/protek-...800-bk/p273496


Socket: Exotek has a full suite of parts, some bling, some not. Here's a list (all fit DE and CE, unless otherwise noted):

Titanium front axles: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-titanium-front-axles-2/

Rear Hanger, HD (Adds 4 grams): http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...75-heavy-duty/

Brass C block, 18 grams added: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...-brass-weight/

Alloy front camber mount: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-fron...er-mount-7075/

Carbon Fiber Chassis: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-carb...m-plate-2-5mm/

Alloy rear hubs:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-allo...ub-set-2-7075/

Alloy servo mounts, allow for use of LP servo:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...-alloy-1-pair/

Titanium shock mounts: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...shock-posts-2/

Slipper Eliminator: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-direct-spur-mount/
Xray eliminator is #324100

dgrobe2112: 2016-2017 new 3 gear laydown
Gearbox #323014
Motor plate #324012
36T idler gear #324236
Brace for waterfall #324031

dgrobe2112: Xray Spring Rate Conversion:
front C WHT
368174 2 str 0.65-0.85 3.71-4.85

358184 2 dot 0.65 3.71
368185 3 dot 0.72 4.11
368186 4 dot 0.80 4.57


Rear
368273 2 str 0.35-0.45 2.00-2.57

368284 1 Dot 0.35 2.00
368285 2 Dot 0.40 2.28
368286 3 Dot 0.45 2.57
368287 4 Dot 0.50 2.86

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Anyone run the fan mounted waterfall listed on Shapeway's website? Opinions? Body fitment? TIA.
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Anyone run the fan mounted waterfall listed on Shapeway's website? Opinions? Body fitment? TIA.
I tried it, it fits great and there was no fitment issue with the stock body,
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Anyone run the fan mounted waterfall listed on Shapeway's website? Opinions? Body fitment? TIA.
I ran it for about a month. I had to turn my Orion motor to the side because the connections were in the way. Also fan was rubbing the paint off the body as body was sitting right on top of fan. I ended up removing it because of those issues. I used some two face tape and mounted fan on frame on the side of the motor. Works great less problems.
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Originally Posted by SlipDiff
If running 17.5 motor may wanna try slipper eliminator and 31pinion 69 spur. Good luck out there👍🏼
The lightest slipper delete on the market.
Xray XB2 slipper delete kit - RC Shox
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Anyone know what these "flow control" pistons from RCshox are? Xray has mostly superior products in most categories. Pistons unfortunately are not one of them. thx
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Anyone know what these "flow control" pistons from RCshox are? thx
They offer much better pack than the standard 2 hole piston. I like the ProSelect pistons in my 2wd...
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Hello! I upgrade fan mount from Bman's 3XNT
Now you do not need to saw the fan, everything fits perfectly.
I used nylon nuts and ordered aluminum screws.
Printed with 0,2mm nozzle from PETG, very light and strong.
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You guys still liking your XB2's? Medium to high bite clay. Looking at this or YZ2, 22 4.0. Does this car need a lot of upgrades? Thanks.
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You guys still liking your XB2's? Medium to high bite clay. Looking at this or YZ2, 22 4.0. Does this car need a lot of upgrades? Thanks.
Loving my xb2 and not just making this statement because I own one. Car is just that dang good. You may pay $30-$40 bucks more for this kit but imo it's great outta the box with no additional upgrades needed to be really competitive. Ran other buggies in the past but have not found one built to this quality yet. Just for an example when it comes to a light drivetrain the xb2 gear diff is right @ 21grams built with diff oil in it and now let's look @ a TLR gear diff that weighs in @ 33grams complete with diff oil added. That 12 gram diff just in the diff is huge advantage especially if running 17.5 class. You will not be disappointed with the Xray
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Originally Posted by chevmaro
You guys still liking your XB2's? Medium to high bite clay. Looking at this or YZ2, 22 4.0. Does this car need a lot of upgrades? Thanks.
keep your eyes open, I may be dumping my high end unit very soon to concentrate on my other rc cars. It's very nice.

Edit. Here it is...

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Originally Posted by chevmaro
You guys still liking your XB2's? Medium to high bite clay. Looking at this or YZ2, 22 4.0. Does this car need a lot of upgrades? Thanks.
Upgrades? Pistons, as far as performance on high bite clay, using one of tessmans setups as a starting point, the car was not that great. It was drivable, but not as planted as I would like, and the bouciness of the rear shocks in the ruts causes the car to get upset, so you will need to tune that out. Pistons will hopefully fix it a long with heavier oils. I also got the exotek brass FR hinge pin brace to keep the rear from spinning out. Our local track went through a full rebuild and it has carpet like qualities to the grip level. Out of the box my YZ-2 DTM is a better experience. Still needed to add weight under the gearbox to get the rear end settled, but after that I didn't need to tune much else. Seems both cars are extremely durable as well. But in the long run, if I can get the XB2 tuned to the way I like the car, it will last longer with the ability to change drive pins before the outdrive pit will be a huge plus,. though Yokomo complete drive shafts for a pair are the cost of one XRAY drive shaft new. All in all, something different on both cars from the "big three" K, AE, and TLR. And much better quality and durability. Buy what you want and get it running to your satisfaction. In my opinion the XB2 has a much higher learning curve in regards to tuning, but it can be made to run just as good as other cars.
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Originally Posted by jpcopeland1
Upgrades? Pistons, as far as performance on high bite clay, using one of tessmans setups as a starting point, the car was not that great. It was drivable, but not as planted as I would like, and the bouciness of the rear shocks in the ruts causes the car to get upset, so you will need to tune that out. Pistons will hopefully fix it a long with heavier oils. I also got the exotek brass FR hinge pin brace to keep the rear from spinning out. Our local track went through a full rebuild and it has carpet like qualities to the grip level. Out of the box my YZ-2 DTM is a better experience. Still needed to add weight under the gearbox to get the rear end settled, but after that I didn't need to tune much else. Seems both cars are extremely durable as well. But in the long run, if I can get the XB2 tuned to the way I like the car, it will last longer with the ability to change drive pins before the outdrive pit will be a huge plus,. though Yokomo complete drive shafts for a pair are the cost of one XRAY drive shaft new. All in all, something different on both cars from the "big three" K, AE, and TLR. And much better quality and durability. Buy what you want and get it running to your satisfaction. In my opinion the XB2 has a much higher learning curve in regards to tuning, but it can be made to run just as good as other cars.
If you are looking for traction and something to make the car much better in alot of ways go the the cf Xray chassis. Its also being used for carpet with the hard plastics.
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Originally Posted by Pville Stig
If you are looking for traction and something to make the car much better in alot of ways go the the cf Xray chassis. Its also being used for carpet with the hard plastics.
Could someone tell me the differences from the stock carpet chassis to the cf chassis on carpet? Someone that has experience with both.
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new transmission fit old car?
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Originally Posted by dinosback
Could someone tell me the differences from the stock carpet chassis to the cf chassis on carpet? Someone that has experience with both.
The stock aluminum chassis is very stiff and the car is easy to drive. The CF chassis is going to need the hard plastics because it flexes more and creates more grip than the stock chassis. If you don't run the hard plastics on the CF chassis, it will flex to much and the car will not rotate in the corners like it should. It will also cause the inner rear wheel to come up off of the ground causing the car to diff out. The other advantage of the CF is the weight savings and the ability to add weight in the car where it will help the most. I would suggest following the most recent EOS setups from the xray drivers. Depending on your driving level would determine whether or not the CF chassis would be a better fit for most on carpet.
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