JL Racing .12
#301
PICCO PLUGS
OFNA'S code system for their Picco glowplugs allways sold the 51006 as the "OFNA/PICCO turbo plug for all engines" which was the old Picco Nº 6 medium (they didn't have cold or hot body back then), so maybe they say now it is equivalent to the new hot body Nº 6 medium filament glow plug
Any way, here is my chart for equivalent MEGA and original PICCO Turbo glow Plugs
MEGA/PICCO TURBO GLOW PLUGS
HOT BODY MORE THAN 70% HUMIDITY
MEG200152 5 Hot Filament
MEG200162 6 Medium Filament
MEG200172 7Cold Filament
COLD BODY LESS THAN 70% HUMIDITY
MEG200151 5 Hot Filament
MEG200161 6 Medium Filament
MEG200171 7 Cold Filament
PICCO TURBO GLOW-PLUGS
HOT BODY MORE THAN 70% HUMIDITY
•P5TH hot filament
•P6TH medium filament
•P7TH cold filament
COLD BODY LESS THAN 70% HUMIDITY
•P5TC hot filament
•P6TC medium filament
•P7TC cold filament
AFM
Any way, here is my chart for equivalent MEGA and original PICCO Turbo glow Plugs
MEGA/PICCO TURBO GLOW PLUGS
HOT BODY MORE THAN 70% HUMIDITY
MEG200152 5 Hot Filament
MEG200162 6 Medium Filament
MEG200172 7Cold Filament
COLD BODY LESS THAN 70% HUMIDITY
MEG200151 5 Hot Filament
MEG200161 6 Medium Filament
MEG200171 7 Cold Filament
PICCO TURBO GLOW-PLUGS
HOT BODY MORE THAN 70% HUMIDITY
•P5TH hot filament
•P6TH medium filament
•P7TH cold filament
COLD BODY LESS THAN 70% HUMIDITY
•P5TC hot filament
•P6TC medium filament
•P7TC cold filament
AFM
#302
Originally Posted by Artificial-I
Here in florida the humidity is high. So perhaps I should run the #51006 HOT plug. The thing I always thought was the hotter the plug the more you advance timing , the colder plug the more you retard the timing. So if they reccomend 25% nitro maximum on the stock shims. Then if I wanted to run lets say 30% like some have. I would probably want to run a colder plug to retard the timing some, so there isnt detonation. Even though the humidity is up there.
The other thing that Ive heard about glow-plugs is that if its hot out you want to run a cooler plug. To keep the motor cooler and a hotter plug to keep the motor going in cold situations.
Then a hotter plug gives more bottom end , while retarding gives you more top end speed. So on a lets say a big track youd want a cold plug to run some more power down the straight. Where a tight track a hotter plug , to keep the power down low.
Then finally two more. One is you want to use a hotter glow plug if your flaming out. This basically ignites the fuel quicker. Which should create a more complete combustion cycle since its starting earlier.
As well a hotter plug overall makes you run more fuel , which should lubricate the motor more , provide more smoke. But at the same time the retarded timing might leave the motor wetter as its not completely burning it up and that I also heard helps keep the motor more lubricated.
The other thing that Ive heard about glow-plugs is that if its hot out you want to run a cooler plug. To keep the motor cooler and a hotter plug to keep the motor going in cold situations.
Then a hotter plug gives more bottom end , while retarding gives you more top end speed. So on a lets say a big track youd want a cold plug to run some more power down the straight. Where a tight track a hotter plug , to keep the power down low.
Then finally two more. One is you want to use a hotter glow plug if your flaming out. This basically ignites the fuel quicker. Which should create a more complete combustion cycle since its starting earlier.
As well a hotter plug overall makes you run more fuel , which should lubricate the motor more , provide more smoke. But at the same time the retarded timing might leave the motor wetter as its not completely burning it up and that I also heard helps keep the motor more lubricated.
Then you select the Nº according to temp and nitro % colder temps call for hotter filament Nº and vice versa. Higher nitro % call for colder filaments and vice versa.
Experience dictates that just by lowering the head (more compression) you gain more power especially in lower rpm range, idle quality can suffer, but the engine also runs cooler . Also, that a higher head (less compression) will increase top rpm speed on bigger tracks.
A decrease in head shims (an increase in compression ratio) will increase torque because as the compression ratio goes higher, the actual ignition timing occurs sooner. However there is a point of diminishing returns where detonation occurs or engine temps can soar, and if this happens a colder plug can help. A colder plug will also increase torque, except in the instance of a colder plug, the ignition is slowed until a greater point of compression build occurs.
When you increase head shims (a decrease in compression), top end is enhanced as the ignition timing is retarded and occurs later. Generally a hotter plug is needed to advance the ignition cycle so that timing does not occur to late in the cycle, but at this point you end up over leaning the engine to get it to rev properly and the engine life will suffer dramatically.
We should also state that the comments with regards to plugs and head shimming are when both are used together. Used alone a hotter plug will rev harder and a colder plug will make more torque.
AFM
Last edited by Artificial-I; 04-21-2007 at 05:53 PM.
#303
Hotter plugs give more torque and colder plugs higher revs. The hotter plug will combust the mixture sooner giving advanced ignition (torque) where a cooler plug is retarding the ignition
Cheers
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#305
Tech Elite
iTrader: (17)
Originally Posted by afm
OFNA'S code system for their Picco glowplugs allways sold the 51006 as the "OFNA/PICCO turbo plug for all engines" which was the old Picco Nº 6 medium (they didn't have cold or hot body back then), so maybe they say now it is equivalent to the new hot body Nº 6 medium filament glow plug
Any way, here is my chart for equivalent MEGA and original PICCO Turbo glow Plugs
MEGA/PICCO TURBO GLOW PLUGS
HOT BODY MORE THAN 70% HUMIDITY
MEG200152 5 Hot Filament
MEG200162 6 Medium Filament
MEG200172 7Cold Filament
COLD BODY LESS THAN 70% HUMIDITY
MEG200151 5 Hot Filament
MEG200161 6 Medium Filament
MEG200171 7 Cold Filament
PICCO TURBO GLOW-PLUGS
HOT BODY MORE THAN 70% HUMIDITY
•P5TH hot filament
•P6TH medium filament
•P7TH cold filament
COLD BODY LESS THAN 70% HUMIDITY
•P5TC hot filament
•P6TC medium filament
•P7TC cold filament
AFM
Any way, here is my chart for equivalent MEGA and original PICCO Turbo glow Plugs
MEGA/PICCO TURBO GLOW PLUGS
HOT BODY MORE THAN 70% HUMIDITY
MEG200152 5 Hot Filament
MEG200162 6 Medium Filament
MEG200172 7Cold Filament
COLD BODY LESS THAN 70% HUMIDITY
MEG200151 5 Hot Filament
MEG200161 6 Medium Filament
MEG200171 7 Cold Filament
PICCO TURBO GLOW-PLUGS
HOT BODY MORE THAN 70% HUMIDITY
•P5TH hot filament
•P6TH medium filament
•P7TH cold filament
COLD BODY LESS THAN 70% HUMIDITY
•P5TC hot filament
•P6TC medium filament
•P7TC cold filament
AFM
Do you think these two plugs are both cold bodied plugs?
#306
I started my new JLR tonight, it got 2 tanks of idling and blipping throttle break in, this thing has a nice snarl, it started up the FIRST time I bumped it on the box with a ni starter, very easy motor to break in! I can't wait to actually drive it.... For anyone wanting this motor, or parts for it, I recommend going to Kamikaze hobbies, I ordered parts from them on Monday or Tuesday, they were here by FRIDAY, and Sam was extremly helpful when ordering, great place to deal with.... First HOA race is in 2 weeks!
#308
Tech Initiate
Red Dot
I agree with the prior posts. If you are looking for a motor. The Red Dot is awsome. Yes and Sam at Kamikazi is one of the best RC dealers. I live in Texas and use him for all my RC stuff. If you dont see it on the web.. just call them.. Look above for link to the web. You cant go wrong...
Sean
Sean
#310
Tech Initiate
What would be the best method for breaking in this engine?
#312
Tech Initiate
Originally Posted by Team Kamikaze
Read post # 178 on this thread.
#313
Tech Master
iTrader: (1)
i do the same thing with all my engine, I just change tank 1 from idle to very little throttle moving around.
and just so you know these methods get you a long engine life, my OS .12cv-rx lasted me 16 gallons without a single rebuild, until I tried modifiying it myself and ruined it .
and just so you know these methods get you a long engine life, my OS .12cv-rx lasted me 16 gallons without a single rebuild, until I tried modifiying it myself and ruined it .
#314
Tech Initiate
Did you guys change your conrod after you broke it in? I saw some horror stories earlier in the thread and people were saying to change it after break in and every 2 gallons.
#315
Tech Champion
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Originally Posted by Vismund Cygnus
Did you guys change your conrod after you broke it in? I saw some horror stories earlier in the thread and people were saying to change it after break in and every 2 gallons.