SC10 4x4 Thread
#646
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From: Las Vegas, NV
So how does the bleeding on these bladder shocks work?
I read the manual but I'm new to this.
It seems like the bleed port would have to be below the bladder somehow or it wouldn't work.
On an emulsion type shock I'd expect to bleed it simply by extending shaft, filling it all the way and removing air, cranking the cap on fully with bleed port open... then compressing shaft in to where I want it minus whatever preload (rebound?) I want, then putting bleeder screw back in.
But this concept doesn't seem to work once you throw a bladder into the equation. Any input on this? I'm an engineer so I need diagrams and equations, lol.
I read the manual but I'm new to this.
It seems like the bleed port would have to be below the bladder somehow or it wouldn't work.
On an emulsion type shock I'd expect to bleed it simply by extending shaft, filling it all the way and removing air, cranking the cap on fully with bleed port open... then compressing shaft in to where I want it minus whatever preload (rebound?) I want, then putting bleeder screw back in.
But this concept doesn't seem to work once you throw a bladder into the equation. Any input on this? I'm an engineer so I need diagrams and equations, lol.
I don't have equations or diagrams, but I do have an explanation.
Fill the shock with oil and move the shaft halfway up. Next put the bladder on, you might have to push down a bit to help it seat better. Now screw the cap on completely. Wipe the excess oil off and you're done.
#647
#650
#651
All cheaper low end Hitec servos do not center well at all, if you turn your
wheel off center left and let it go, then right and let it go it will center
different both times. Once they are used a while they even get worse, so
if your using a low end Hitec servo there is nothing can be done that is
just the nature of the beast. Now if your using a high end Hitec servo like
a 9455TG and your having that problem I would call Hitec about it because
they have a great customer service department and will take good care of
you.
Good luck & enjoy"
wheel off center left and let it go, then right and let it go it will center
different both times. Once they are used a while they even get worse, so
if your using a low end Hitec servo there is nothing can be done that is
just the nature of the beast. Now if your using a high end Hitec servo like
a 9455TG and your having that problem I would call Hitec about it because
they have a great customer service department and will take good care of
you.
Good luck & enjoy"
Plus I have never heard of a 9455TG model??????
A 945MG sure, but I dont think those are even made anymore.All Hitec digital servos should center properly if of sufficient performance specs for the application on hand. If it doesnt, then its defective and needs to be returned, or its not powerful enough for the job at hand and should be upgraded accordingly.
For steering application if your servo cannot center itself properly at a standstill or struggles to do so then you need a stronger spec'd steering servo.
#652
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Man, I really gotta ask here: What do you consider a "low end" Hitec servo?
Plus I have never heard of a 9455TG mol??????
A 945MG sure, but I dont think those are even made anymore.
All Hitec digital servos should center properly if of sufficient performance specs for the application on hand. If it doesnt, then its defective and needs to be returned, or its not powerful enough for the job at hand and should be upgraded accordingly.
For steering application if your servo cannot center itself properly at a standstill or struggles to do so then you need a stronger spec'd steering servo.
Plus I have never heard of a 9455TG mol??????
A 945MG sure, but I dont think those are even made anymore.All Hitec digital servos should center properly if of sufficient performance specs for the application on hand. If it doesnt, then its defective and needs to be returned, or its not powerful enough for the job at hand and should be upgraded accordingly.
For steering application if your servo cannot center itself properly at a standstill or struggles to do so then you need a stronger spec'd steering servo.

#653
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Haha, I gotta test everything. I try and keep as unbiased as possible on all the products I test. It sucks when something you think will blow donkey balls actually does very well. (Castle 1410 *cough*). It also sucks when something you like takes a crap and you have to post about it.
I'm just excited to build a kit! The Sc10 was the last kit I built, so it's been almost 2 years.
I'm just excited to build a kit! The Sc10 was the last kit I built, so it's been almost 2 years.

I just couldn't get excited about the SC10 4x4 when I was building it. Some of the design aspects just annoyed the heck out of me. I ended up selling it but one thing I wanted to point out...I sold the truck as a roller, just like how the box shows. I had a steering servo installed and had to take it out. It took me 20-30 minutes just to take out the servo. Just think, if I had to reinstall it, it'd take me another 20-30 minutes. Almost an hour to remove and replace a servo? Yeah that pissed me off lol. I'm sure with practice I can cut that time in half but the process in itself is ridiculous.
Anyhow, everyone's experience with the truck is different. Mine leaned towards the negative side but there's a lot of guys here that love the truck. It's all about having fun in this hobby
#655
Why is everyone worried about taking their servos in and out all the time? I can't remember the last time I took a servo out of one of my cars. Now the diffs...there's something to worry about! Haven't tried to take it out yet, but it looks like it's wrapped in a couple layers of plastic armor.
#656
I like mine. quitest, smoothest and easiest to drive 4x4 I have driven so far (which is all cept the durango).
did pretty well with the stock setup. realy could use the sway bars and some fine tuning. hard to get a base cuz the track changed while I was there. (rain last night and 85 and sunny today).
the servo is a pain. I just hope I don't have to change it to often. the savox 1258 has done my very well so far.
did pretty well with the stock setup. realy could use the sway bars and some fine tuning. hard to get a base cuz the track changed while I was there. (rain last night and 85 and sunny today).
the servo is a pain. I just hope I don't have to change it to often. the savox 1258 has done my very well so far.
#658
I hear ya on the 1410. lol
I just couldn't get excited about the SC10 4x4 when I was building it. Some of the design aspects just annoyed the heck out of me. I ended up selling it but one thing I wanted to point out...I sold the truck as a roller, just like how the box shows. I had a steering servo installed and had to take it out. It took me 20-30 minutes just to take out the servo. Just think, if I had to reinstall it, it'd take me another 20-30 minutes. Almost an hour to remove and replace a servo? Yeah that pissed me off lol. I'm sure with practice I can cut that time in half but the process in itself is ridiculous.
Anyhow, everyone's experience with the truck is different. Mine leaned towards the negative side but there's a lot of guys here that love the truck. It's all about having fun in this hobby
I just couldn't get excited about the SC10 4x4 when I was building it. Some of the design aspects just annoyed the heck out of me. I ended up selling it but one thing I wanted to point out...I sold the truck as a roller, just like how the box shows. I had a steering servo installed and had to take it out. It took me 20-30 minutes just to take out the servo. Just think, if I had to reinstall it, it'd take me another 20-30 minutes. Almost an hour to remove and replace a servo? Yeah that pissed me off lol. I'm sure with practice I can cut that time in half but the process in itself is ridiculous.
Anyhow, everyone's experience with the truck is different. Mine leaned towards the negative side but there's a lot of guys here that love the truck. It's all about having fun in this hobby

#659
Couple items, this is my 15th Associated kit build and my least favorite for a couple reasons. I will say that the molded pieces are the best by far though. This kit looks bullet proof just sitting in the bags.
My kit came with no tools for the nuts, just two allen wrenches and the metal link wrench. Since this is all metric now I would have imagined that AE would have included them like all prior kits. Most AE fans don't have all the drivers for these new sizes. M3 and M4 nut drivers. The front of the manual doesn't state what tools are needed that I could find. Just that you need the AE set part # xxxxxx
Diffs were pretty dry, my kit came with no diff oil at all. Not sure if anyones did, seems silly since the instructions show you building them from scratch. So in order to build the kit i had to buy some diff lube.
My kit was missing the lower servo saver arm. Had to buy the whole servo kit from a local shop for 7 bucks for that little arm. (racing this Sunday and couldn't wait for replacement from AE) Part #9100. Little baby jesus was with me since I figured nobody would have that part yet.
The front belt gears, 19 and 20 tooth weren't marked as noted in the manual. Manual states to use the unmarked gear. Counting teeth no big deal but silly.
Regardless I'm friggin excited about this truck!!
My kit came with no tools for the nuts, just two allen wrenches and the metal link wrench. Since this is all metric now I would have imagined that AE would have included them like all prior kits. Most AE fans don't have all the drivers for these new sizes. M3 and M4 nut drivers. The front of the manual doesn't state what tools are needed that I could find. Just that you need the AE set part # xxxxxx
Diffs were pretty dry, my kit came with no diff oil at all. Not sure if anyones did, seems silly since the instructions show you building them from scratch. So in order to build the kit i had to buy some diff lube.
My kit was missing the lower servo saver arm. Had to buy the whole servo kit from a local shop for 7 bucks for that little arm. (racing this Sunday and couldn't wait for replacement from AE) Part #9100. Little baby jesus was with me since I figured nobody would have that part yet.
The front belt gears, 19 and 20 tooth weren't marked as noted in the manual. Manual states to use the unmarked gear. Counting teeth no big deal but silly.
Regardless I'm friggin excited about this truck!!
#660
I don't have equations or diagrams, but I do have an explanation.
Fill the shock with oil and move the shaft halfway up. Next put the bladder on, you might have to push down a bit to help it seat better. Now screw the cap on completely. Wipe the excess oil off and you're done.
Fill the shock with oil and move the shaft halfway up. Next put the bladder on, you might have to push down a bit to help it seat better. Now screw the cap on completely. Wipe the excess oil off and you're done.



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