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Old 04-01-2011 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by R-E-A-P-E-R-
Just for the record. They higher the C rating you charge your lipos at, decreases the overall life of the cell. Just because you can charge at a higher amperage doesn't mean you should.
That's ok. Gens Ace are already cheap. I don't even feel them get warm when I charge at 3C. So I see no harm done.
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Old 04-01-2011 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by R-E-A-P-E-R-
Just for the record. They higher the C rating you charge your lipos at, decreases the overall life of the cell. Just because you can charge at a higher amperage doesn't mean you should.
Honestly its amazing to me that people really dont balance every time... or charge at more than 1c... I dont care WHAT the manufacturer says... its not their house they put at risk... having had 3 turnigys and 2 maxamps puff in my time using lipos I think I will go the safest route possible...
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Old 04-01-2011 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by R-E-A-P-E-R-
Just for the record. They higher the C rating you charge your lipos at, decreases the overall life of the cell. Just because you can charge at a higher amperage doesn't mean you should.
Can someone post any facts on this still being true? I can't find anything. On the other hand I see manufacturers specifically saying they can be charged up to 5C. And I see many posts similar to the above, but little to back it up.

This is new tech and is changing fast. Perhaps by just getting in to LiPo I have no baggage from early adopters, but the facts that over 1C charging will shorten their life span (at least to a significant degree) are slim to come by. Or is a loss of a few % of cycles, if any, a big deal to some? Is it due to fire hazards? I can't see manufacturers promoting a practice that would cause death to their users... well maybe a little bit.

Of course I am still learning a lot, and I don't want to 'fight it out', but the scientist in me wants to see some proof on this, otherwise I will remain skeptical. Maybe another statement that gets credence by sheer repetition. Just like 'warming up your (full sized) car in cold weather' is a hold over from carburetor days, yet I still see it mentioned like it was gospel for modern fuel injected cars.

???

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Old 04-01-2011 | 11:09 AM
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Hey Guys,

It has been brought to our attention that over the last couple of days it has turned into a war of name calling on this thread by a few members. If you want to continue with these words and name calling take them someplace else as it is not acceptable behavior. I don't care if you spell a donkey with a $$ or miss the c in another word. It is still read that way and if you need to talk and type like that here you will find yourself on the outside looking in for a long time!

I hope I made myself clear!
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Old 04-01-2011 | 11:45 AM
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GO GATORS!! HA!

Painted by the one and only Larry Genova!
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I got beef about this body.... Were you at the UH vs UCLA game? My wife, me and about 100 other friends all flew out to see this game only to watch Keenum get hurt right out the gate! Awesome trip but terrible game!!!

Nice body though!
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Old 04-01-2011 | 01:25 PM
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I guess when it rains it pours.

Quit sending pm's to each other that are not polite.

If it isn't polite to post it here then don't send the pm from this point going forward. It isn't worth it!

Geez...
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Old 04-01-2011 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kraig
I guess when it rains it pours.

Quit sending pm's to each other that are not polite.

If it isn't polite to post it here then don't send the pm from this point going forward. It isn't worth it!

Geez...
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Is that your real picture, because if so.. I love you

j/k hee hee.
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Old 04-01-2011 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarinexia
Kraig,

Is that your real picture, because if so.. I love you

j/k hee hee.
+1
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Originally Posted by Sarinexia
Kraig,

Is that your real picture, because if so.. I love you

j/k hee hee.
Hey, that may be fairly polite but its sexual harassment.
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Originally Posted by Sarinexia
Kraig,

Is that your real picture, because if so.. I love you

j/k hee hee.
Originally Posted by schnellschnell
+1
I should ban both of you for that comment but no it isn't me.
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Old 04-01-2011 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by schnellschnell
Can someone post any facts on this still being true? I can't find anything. On the other hand I see manufacturers specifically saying they can be charged up to 5C. And I see many posts similar to the above, but little to back it up.

This is new tech and is changing fast. Perhaps by just getting in to LiPo I have no baggage from early adopters, but the facts that over 1C charging will shorten their life span (at least to a significant degree) are slim to come by. Or is a loss of a few % of cycles, if any, a big deal to some? Is it due to fire hazards? I can't see manufacturers promoting a practice that would cause death to their users... well maybe a little bit.

Of course I am still learning a lot, and I don't want to 'fight it out', but the scientist in me wants to see some proof on this, otherwise I will remain skeptical. Maybe another statement that gets credence by sheer repetition. Just like 'warming up your (full sized) car in cold weather' is a hold over from carburetor days, yet I still see it mentioned like it was gospel for modern fuel injected cars.

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In my experience I charge packs at 1c(at the mhz rating, 5000mhz equals 5amp charge rate safe) I dont balance charge my packs every time, but at least at the start of the day. I discharge the pack once a month to 3v/cell and charge back up to ensure it balances right. and I dont have any problems, Every once in awhile I have a pack die because I over discharge it(IE starter box battery) but they dont catch fire, they will only smoke anymore, There are certain type of lipos you can charge at 2 and 3c, but they are mostly airplane packs that would take forever to charge at 1c.
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Old 04-01-2011 | 05:46 PM
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Thanks for stopping by Kraig, sorry it was on a bad note

And Frank, that's probably his daughter dude! Ok back on topic.

I'm kind of a Gens Ace fan. They seem to be ok. The case really bothers me for 2 reasons. One, the gold marble paint scheme is horrid. Two, my case needed to be taped shut after about 3 charges. Pack isn't puffing, they just don't stay together.
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Old 04-01-2011 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by xxxtcr
In my experience I charge packs at 1c(at the mhz rating, 5000mhz equals 5amp charge rate safe) I dont balance charge my packs every time, but at least at the start of the day. I discharge the pack once a month to 3v/cell and charge back up to ensure it balances right. and I dont have any problems, Every once in awhile I have a pack die because I over discharge it(IE starter box battery) but they dont catch fire, they will only smoke anymore, There are certain type of lipos you can charge at 2 and 3c, but they are mostly airplane packs that would take forever to charge at 1c.
I concur with this info. I have a few Maxamps and it states on the case to charge at 2c (which I'm guessing = 2 x mah).

I still charge them at 1c because I don't like buying things twice. If I can be patient in the charging process and get more life out of my battery... no brainer

I had a pack smoke once, took it out and disposed of it, it never caught fire.

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Thanks for stopping by Kraig, sorry it was on a bad note

And Frank, that's probably his daughter dude! Ok back on topic. +1

I'm kind of a Gens Ace fan. They seem to be ok. The case really bothers me for 2 reasons. One, the gold marble paint scheme is horrid. Two, my case needed to be taped shut after about 3 charges. Pack isn't puffing, they just don't stay together.
if those darned batteries are ever in stock..... ffffft
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Old 04-01-2011 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by schnellschnell
Can someone post any facts on this still being true? I can't find anything. On the other hand I see manufacturers specifically saying they can be charged up to 5C. And I see many posts similar to the above, but little to back it up.

This is new tech and is changing fast. Perhaps by just getting in to LiPo I have no baggage from early adopters, but the facts that over 1C charging will shorten their life span (at least to a significant degree) are slim to come by. Or is a loss of a few % of cycles, if any, a big deal to some? Is it due to fire hazards? I can't see manufacturers promoting a practice that would cause death to their users... well maybe a little bit.

Of course I am still learning a lot, and I don't want to 'fight it out', but the scientist in me wants to see some proof on this, otherwise I will remain skeptical. Maybe another statement that gets credence by sheer repetition. Just like 'warming up your (full sized) car in cold weather' is a hold over from carburetor days, yet I still see it mentioned like it was gospel for modern fuel injected cars.

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Jason
As it is really not written in stone that you should not charge over 1C but for rc electric users we would usually want more runtime/cycles on our batteries, so we charge at 1C or less. Manufacturers states on some batteries that you can charge over 1C e.g 2-3C which you can but will decrease life/cycle as internal resistance goes up, as they say if your in no rush charge at minimum, but having those higher charging rates are nice when you are in a jam and need it charge fast!!
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Old 04-01-2011 | 07:07 PM
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http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-lipo-batteries.html

Times are a changing...

Most LiPo experts now feel however you can safely charge at a 2C or even 3C rate on quality packs that have a discharge rating of at least 20C or more safely, with little effect on the overall life expectancy of the pack as long as you have a good charger with a good balancing system. There are more and more LiPo packs showing up stating 2C and 3C charge rates, with even a couple manufactures indicating 5C rates. The day of the 10 minute charge is not far off (assuming you have a high power charger and power source capable of delivering that many watts and amps).

Once again, the three main things that shorten LiPo battery life are HEAT, OVER-DISCHARGING, & INADEQUATE BALANCING.
I put some good money into a charger and power supply just for this reason. I'm gonna put that bad boy to use at it's full potential. To each there own.

I don't have time or enough batteries to sit around and wait for them to charge in an hour or more while at the track.
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