Xray T1FK05
#2566
Tech Regular
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Originally Posted by TryHard
Actually from what he says, it sounds like he's keeping the pin flat. In that case, your lowering the front roll centre, and hence more grip.
Also, if you just lower the front pin mount (so the front of the arm is lower than the rear) you get pro-dive, not anti (BTW, Kick-up IS anti-dive). This gives more initial steering (something I use with good effect when running a spool in my 415) on corner entry, but also reduces the castor angle. Of course the roll centre also changes....
I'm not sure about the link too... I've always found a shorter link to give more grip through the turns...
Regards
Ed
Also, if you just lower the front pin mount (so the front of the arm is lower than the rear) you get pro-dive, not anti (BTW, Kick-up IS anti-dive). This gives more initial steering (something I use with good effect when running a spool in my 415) on corner entry, but also reduces the castor angle. Of course the roll centre also changes....
I'm not sure about the link too... I've always found a shorter link to give more grip through the turns...
Regards
Ed
#2568
Tech Master
Originally Posted by stinkypop
sorry my bad.
lowering the front pin will reduce caster therefore increase steering.
lowering the front pin will reduce caster therefore increase steering.
Originally Posted by stinkypop
A:your creating anti dive= reduced off power steering
:short link= Less roll= flater through corners/ less cornering grip
:short link= Less roll= flater through corners/ less cornering grip
shorter link=less roll- means quick direction changes? is this a good tuning ( shorter link front and rear) if the layout has lots of chicanes and succesive left and right turns?
shorter link on front= less cornering grip on front-means that I can use this tuning if the front suddenly hooks during intial turn? I had this problem before and what I did was to stiffen the front and it worked but I guess I lost some steering on the rest part of the turn somewhat
Originally Posted by stinkypop
B:kickup= less off power st/ more on power st and generally more stable
Originally Posted by stinkypop
:long link= more roll/ more cornering grip
Originally Posted by stinkypop
to get back the off power steering you lost, reducing droop in the car(more on the gauge) , but if you are running soft springs chances are it will be too soft and the chassis may scrape due to the extra roll from the camber link change.
hope this helps
Matt
hope this helps
Matt
Pardon for lots of newbie question but I'm eager to learn how to set up my 05 right
Thanks in advance.
CE-X
Last edited by centax error!; 06-03-2005 at 09:08 PM.
#2569
Tech Master
Originally Posted by TryHard
Actually from what he says, it sounds like he's keeping the pin flat. In that case, your lowering the front roll centre, and hence more grip.
Also, if you just lower the front pin mount (so the front of the arm is lower than the rear) you get pro-dive, not anti (BTW, Kick-up IS anti-dive). This gives more initial steering (something I use with good effect when running a spool in my 415) on corner entry, but also reduces the castor angle. Of course the roll centre also changes....
I'm not sure about the link too... I've always found a shorter link to give more grip through the turns...
Regards
Ed
Also, if you just lower the front pin mount (so the front of the arm is lower than the rear) you get pro-dive, not anti (BTW, Kick-up IS anti-dive). This gives more initial steering (something I use with good effect when running a spool in my 415) on corner entry, but also reduces the castor angle. Of course the roll centre also changes....
I'm not sure about the link too... I've always found a shorter link to give more grip through the turns...
Regards
Ed
I haven't tried pro dive before but might as well try it though. I'm used to oneways and when I made the switch to diff it felt like I'm missing some of the off power steering on entry. Our track is bumpy and if I have pro dive do I need to stiffen up the front or reduced rear droop so that the front end of the chassis will not scrape to the ground? I'm worried that by reducing rear droop will again take out some steering off power on entry. Also, to compensate for the lost caster ( due to pro dive) do I need to change caster blocks form 3to 4.5 degrees to keep mid corner steering if I was already happy with it when I had a zero kickup?
Thanks in advance.
CE
Last edited by centax error!; 06-03-2005 at 08:55 PM.
#2570
I an running the multi diff locked (spool) man that thing chews threw the dog bone blades. Has anyone else had this problem, and come up with a fix.
#2571
Originally Posted by centax error!
Ed, your right I meant the front hinge pin flat.
I haven't tried pro dive before but might as well try it though. I'm used to oneways and when I made the switch to diff it felt like I'm missing some of the off power steering on entry. Our track is bumpy and if I have pro dive do I need to stiffen up the front or reduced rear droop so that the front end of the chassis will not scrape to the ground? I'm worried that by reducing rear droop will again take out some steering off power on entry. Also, to compensate for the lost caster ( due to pro dive) do I need to change caster blocks form 3to 4.5 degrees to keep mid corner steering if I was already happy with it when I had a zero kickup?
Thanks in advance.CE
I haven't tried pro dive before but might as well try it though. I'm used to oneways and when I made the switch to diff it felt like I'm missing some of the off power steering on entry. Our track is bumpy and if I have pro dive do I need to stiffen up the front or reduced rear droop so that the front end of the chassis will not scrape to the ground? I'm worried that by reducing rear droop will again take out some steering off power on entry. Also, to compensate for the lost caster ( due to pro dive) do I need to change caster blocks form 3to 4.5 degrees to keep mid corner steering if I was already happy with it when I had a zero kickup?
Thanks in advance.CE
#2572
Originally Posted by Formula1fan
I an running the multi diff locked (spool) man that thing chews threw the dog bone blades. Has anyone else had this problem, and come up with a fix.
#2573
Tech Champion
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I'm not sure how it works on the Xrays, but on my 415, if i place 1mm of shims under the rear block on the front, it equates to just over 1deg reduction in castor, ie I go from 4 to 3deg. Personally I just leave it with the reduced castor.
I wouldn't worry too much about masses of changes to the chassis, so don't bother with spring change etc, it's more of a fine tune (but still has a good effect) than say changing springs.
Just make sure you reset your FRONT droop if you do it though, the new arm angle will mean your droop screws are in a different place
HiH
Ed
I wouldn't worry too much about masses of changes to the chassis, so don't bother with spring change etc, it's more of a fine tune (but still has a good effect) than say changing springs.
Just make sure you reset your FRONT droop if you do it though, the new arm angle will mean your droop screws are in a different place
HiH
Ed
#2574
Tech Lord
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hey guys,
i have my final prototype finished for the fk05.i moved the batteries on the car to eliminate some of the weight transfer to the front going into the corners.i always felt the car was loose in the rear with standard setups and this corrected it.i moved the servo forward some and also made the motor mount adjustable from front to rear so you can adjust gear mesh in a hurry with your batteries in the car.i also cut a .025 deep pocket under the batteries for your tape to lay in so it doesnt rub the carpet or asphalt.i made it possible to run my included battery strap,xray's battery strap or use tape.the cell slots will fit 3300,3600,and 3700 cells.i also cut out pockets under the diffs to make diff adjustments with the body on.heres some pics.let me know what you think.
i have my final prototype finished for the fk05.i moved the batteries on the car to eliminate some of the weight transfer to the front going into the corners.i always felt the car was loose in the rear with standard setups and this corrected it.i moved the servo forward some and also made the motor mount adjustable from front to rear so you can adjust gear mesh in a hurry with your batteries in the car.i also cut a .025 deep pocket under the batteries for your tape to lay in so it doesnt rub the carpet or asphalt.i made it possible to run my included battery strap,xray's battery strap or use tape.the cell slots will fit 3300,3600,and 3700 cells.i also cut out pockets under the diffs to make diff adjustments with the body on.heres some pics.let me know what you think.
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When Is the chassis going to be available and also what is the thickness of the chassis
Last edited by mivy; 06-04-2005 at 06:14 PM.
#2577
Jason- Just curious, in which direction did you move the batteries? And also how does the servo movement affect the weight distrabution?
And also compared to the stock 2.5mm chassis how much does the chassis weigh?
Thanks!
And also compared to the stock 2.5mm chassis how much does the chassis weigh?
Thanks!
#2578
Tech Lord
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the chassis is quite a bit lighter than the stock chassis.it is also 2.5mm but is made from a high modulous carbon fiber for carpet and quasi isotropic for asphalt.moving the servo forward added some weight over the left front tire for a better balance and also adds a little more room for electronics.batteries were moved forward just enough for even weight transfer from front to rear,rear to front and left to right.i found that with the batteries as far back as they are stock,it seems to transfer too much weight forward entering a corner and whipping the rear end anound and also creating excess roll in the front end.making these changes allowed me to use my standard setups and also makes the car react alot better to setup changes.i will take the actual weight of the car with electronics as soon as possible.im still having fun running it
#2579
Tech Regular
Originally Posted by Formula1fan
I an running the multi diff locked (spool) man that thing chews threw the dog bone blades. Has anyone else had this problem, and come up with a fix.
Well I am chewing up blades running the mutli-diff as a one-way. Though I run the car alot (2 nights and 1 full day a week) I have been replacing blades every 2 weeks since I went from the ball diff to the multi-diff. I run 19T and stock.