Are all "Blinky" class ESCs equal?
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Edit: to throw some numbers in, at 10k RPM the HW has around 7.5 oz.in of torque and the Totem has 7.8 or so. In HP that's 0.07 and 0.08 respectively. However the power graph above shows 0.074 and 0.07 respectively, inflating the HW number and deflating the Totem number.
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#171
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Oh no. No no no. ESC's are quite different from one another. Sure, manufacturers will tell you theirs are the best, theirs are the same as everyone elses, etc.
They're blowing smoke up our backsides.
I compared an ORCA totem ESC to an XR10 ESC on my dyno. I had to run the test three times to be sure of what I was seeing. The Totem holds you back by a wide margin. It's better suited to a TT02, F1 or a GT12 car. It should never be run in a touring stock car unless you like to lose.
They're blowing smoke up our backsides.
I compared an ORCA totem ESC to an XR10 ESC on my dyno. I had to run the test three times to be sure of what I was seeing. The Totem holds you back by a wide margin. It's better suited to a TT02, F1 or a GT12 car. It should never be run in a touring stock car unless you like to lose.
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- the hobbywing has a 5 amp bec vs the r1 @ 3 amps. Idk how much of a difference that makes. Both are 6v/7.4v.
- the hobbywing is SLIGHTLY smaller in footprimt size. Its also lower in height, but the R1 might have a bigger heatsink under it. Its hard to tell with the case design. Weight is nearly identical
- both have boost/turbo modes. Both need a program box of some kind. R1 wireless adapter is SLIGHTLY cheaper but hobbywing also has a program box thats cheaper.
- turn limit seems tricky. WITHOUT a fan, the R1 is rated for 13.5 but with a fan it can go as low as 3.5. Hobbywing list just 10.5
- Hobbywing has built in capacitor with reverse polarity protection. R1 has an external capacitor and can be "upgraded" with a reverse polarity BEC or actually upgraded to a higher rated capacitor. Both look like they come presoldered with 12 awg wire (not 100% sure)
- Both seem to have data logging. Both seem to have the standard brake/acceleration punch levels, PWM, curves, etc along with non-blinky boost/turbo modes. Also both seem to have preset values for on-road, off road cars.
My favorite budget esc is orca bp1001. The only downside is that you have to solder it yourself.
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The R1 Wurks Digital-3 Mod and Super Stock ESC motor wire terminals are CBA from left to right. The ESCs have a setting for “Motor-Wiring” with the default of ABC. The alternate setting is CBA. The manual warns that incorrect setting can cause permanent damage to the ESC.
My confusion is the ESC reads CBA from left to right. So I assume the intention of the setting is to swap A and C soldered to the motor. Not necessarily the order displayed on the case. Am I understanding correctly?
Also, when do I need to change this setting? Is it before soldering the motor connection? When does damage occur if incorrectly set? Is it only if throttle is applied?
My confusion is the ESC reads CBA from left to right. So I assume the intention of the setting is to swap A and C soldered to the motor. Not necessarily the order displayed on the case. Am I understanding correctly?
Also, when do I need to change this setting? Is it before soldering the motor connection? When does damage occur if incorrectly set? Is it only if throttle is applied?
#175
The R1 Wurks Digital-3 Mod and Super Stock ESC motor wire terminals are CBA from left to right. The ESCs have a setting for “Motor-Wiring” with the default of ABC. The alternate setting is CBA. The manual warns that incorrect setting can cause permanent damage to the ESC.
My confusion is the ESC reads CBA from left to right. So I assume the intention of the setting is to swap A and C soldered to the motor. Not necessarily the order displayed on the case. Am I understanding correctly?
Also, when do I need to change this setting? Is it before soldering the motor connection? When does damage occur if incorrectly set? Is it only if throttle is applied?
My confusion is the ESC reads CBA from left to right. So I assume the intention of the setting is to swap A and C soldered to the motor. Not necessarily the order displayed on the case. Am I understanding correctly?
Also, when do I need to change this setting? Is it before soldering the motor connection? When does damage occur if incorrectly set? Is it only if throttle is applied?
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Completed the swap out of my electronics from Hobbywing to R1 Wurks. I will say the R1 Wurks wireless module and app function much better than Hobbywing. I don’t experience the connectivity issues with R1 that I always get with HW. I honestly can’t tell the difference between the R1 MOD and Super Stock ESCs. The MOD ESC seems identical except with larger capacitor, 12AWG wires, and a fan in the box. Am I wrong?


#177
Completed the swap out of my electronics from Hobbywing to R1 Wurks. I will say the R1 Wurks wireless module and app function much better than Hobbywing. I don’t experience the connectivity issues with R1 that I always get with HW. I honestly can’t tell the difference between the R1 MOD and Super Stock ESCs. The MOD ESC seems identical except with larger capacitor, 12AWG wires, and a fan in the box. Am I wrong?


You're pretty much correct between the stock and mod ESCs, physically they're pretty much the same but the stock one has a weaker array of FETs internally which affects the motor turn limit.
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I tried a HW pro stock and a Tekin RS both in blinky/zero timing mode in 17.5 2wd buggy. The Tekin worked a lot better (for me) is there any explanation for that? I wouldn’t assume the 80amp limit of the pro stock would be a determining factor but perhaps I’m wrong? Otherwise all I could think of is the wire gauge being different, and the RS doesn’t have a fan on it for whatever that’s worth.
#179
I tried a HW pro stock and a Tekin RS both in blinky/zero timing mode in 17.5 2wd buggy. The Tekin worked a lot better (for me) is there any explanation for that? I wouldn’t assume the 80amp limit of the pro stock would be a determining factor but perhaps I’m wrong? Otherwise all I could think of is the wire gauge being different, and the RS doesn’t have a fan on it for whatever that’s worth.
#180
I tried a HW pro stock and a Tekin RS both in blinky/zero timing mode in 17.5 2wd buggy. The Tekin worked a lot better (for me) is there any explanation for that? I wouldn’t assume the 80amp limit of the pro stock would be a determining factor but perhaps I’m wrong? Otherwise all I could think of is the wire gauge being different, and the RS doesn’t have a fan on it for whatever that’s worth.



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