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Old 05-02-2024 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Team Steve
Can you elaborate on the Totem, how is is worse?

6% less torque and 7% less total horsepower to the shaft compared to the XR10 pro.


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Old 05-03-2024 | 12:40 AM
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There's something wrong with your data. The Tekin prodices more torque from 7000 to 18000 rpm. This means that through the Tekin is producing more power as power is basically torque times speed.
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Old 05-03-2024 | 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by NZDave
There's something wrong with your data. The Tekin prodices more torque from 7000 to 18000 rpm. This means that through the Tekin is producing more power as power is basically torque times speed.
Yep. Their curve is basically just one or 2 datapoints at the low RPM range showing that there's insufficient sampling going on, so you basically need to ignore the peaks in that range. And in the range where there is a lot of data points, the Totem has a bit more torque on average but their power plot at the same RPM doesn't match.

Edit: to throw some numbers in, at 10k RPM the HW has around 7.5 oz.in of torque and the Totem has 7.8 or so. In HP that's 0.07 and 0.08 respectively. However the power graph above shows 0.074 and 0.07 respectively, inflating the HW number and deflating the Totem number.

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Old 05-03-2024 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by NZDave
There's something wrong with your data. The Tekin prodices more torque from 7000 to 18000 rpm. This means that through the Tekin is producing more power as power is basically torque times speed.
There is no tekin in my data.

And yes, the XR10 is producing more power over the Totem
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Old 05-03-2024 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sabin
There is no tekin in my data.

And yes, the XR10 is producing more power over the Totem
The second graph contradicts that
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Old 05-03-2024 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sabin
Oh no. No no no. ESC's are quite different from one another. Sure, manufacturers will tell you theirs are the best, theirs are the same as everyone elses, etc.

They're blowing smoke up our backsides.

I compared an ORCA totem ESC to an XR10 ESC on my dyno. I had to run the test three times to be sure of what I was seeing. The Totem holds you back by a wide margin. It's better suited to a TT02, F1 or a GT12 car. It should never be run in a touring stock car unless you like to lose.
is it possible to you test the orca oe1 /wle/mk2 against hw x10?
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Old 05-03-2024 | 03:57 PM
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is it possible to you test the orca oe1 /wle/mk2 against hw x10?
Yes, it's possible. I don't have one on-hand, though. You're free to send me one if you'd like.
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Old 05-04-2024 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by staiguy
  • the hobbywing has a 5 amp bec vs the r1 @ 3 amps. Idk how much of a difference that makes. Both are 6v/7.4v.
  • the hobbywing is SLIGHTLY smaller in footprimt size. Its also lower in height, but the R1 might have a bigger heatsink under it. Its hard to tell with the case design. Weight is nearly identical
  • both have boost/turbo modes. Both need a program box of some kind. R1 wireless adapter is SLIGHTLY cheaper but hobbywing also has a program box thats cheaper.
  • turn limit seems tricky. WITHOUT a fan, the R1 is rated for 13.5 but with a fan it can go as low as 3.5. Hobbywing list just 10.5
  • Hobbywing has built in capacitor with reverse polarity protection. R1 has an external capacitor and can be "upgraded" with a reverse polarity BEC or actually upgraded to a higher rated capacitor. Both look like they come presoldered with 12 awg wire (not 100% sure)
  • Both seem to have data logging. Both seem to have the standard brake/acceleration punch levels, PWM, curves, etc along with non-blinky boost/turbo modes. Also both seem to have preset values for on-road, off road cars.
Hobbywing IMO and GENERALLY seem to be more "plug and play". You wire it up and your ready to go. I like with the R1 you can change the capacitor pack. I have a justock hobbywing (its NOT a fair comparison, i know) and it kinda makes me wonder if I feel a start delay from either a capacitor, amp limit, or something else. I drive it in a class I can't really be competitive in, but differences from my R1 esc to the justock makes me want to buy another R1 stock esc.

My favorite budget esc is orca bp1001. The only downside is that you have to solder it yourself.
Trying out the R1 ESC for a couple new builds for fun and to mix things up. The footprint is deceiving larger than the HW XR10 Pro. The external switch doesn’t help especially if you get the mount.
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Old 05-05-2024 | 10:34 AM
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The R1 Wurks Digital-3 Mod and Super Stock ESC motor wire terminals are CBA from left to right. The ESCs have a setting for “Motor-Wiring” with the default of ABC. The alternate setting is CBA. The manual warns that incorrect setting can cause permanent damage to the ESC.

My confusion is the ESC reads CBA from left to right. So I assume the intention of the setting is to swap A and C soldered to the motor. Not necessarily the order displayed on the case. Am I understanding correctly?

Also, when do I need to change this setting? Is it before soldering the motor connection? When does damage occur if incorrectly set? Is it only if throttle is applied?
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Originally Posted by shortcut3d
The R1 Wurks Digital-3 Mod and Super Stock ESC motor wire terminals are CBA from left to right. The ESCs have a setting for “Motor-Wiring” with the default of ABC. The alternate setting is CBA. The manual warns that incorrect setting can cause permanent damage to the ESC.

My confusion is the ESC reads CBA from left to right. So I assume the intention of the setting is to swap A and C soldered to the motor. Not necessarily the order displayed on the case. Am I understanding correctly?

Also, when do I need to change this setting? Is it before soldering the motor connection? When does damage occur if incorrectly set? Is it only if throttle is applied?
The ABC setting means connect A on the ESC to A on the motor. Use CBA when you want to connect C on the ESC to A on the motor for neater wire installs.
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Old 05-23-2024 | 04:25 PM
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Completed the swap out of my electronics from Hobbywing to R1 Wurks. I will say the R1 Wurks wireless module and app function much better than Hobbywing. I don’t experience the connectivity issues with R1 that I always get with HW. I honestly can’t tell the difference between the R1 MOD and Super Stock ESCs. The MOD ESC seems identical except with larger capacitor, 12AWG wires, and a fan in the box. Am I wrong?

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Old 05-23-2024 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by shortcut3d
Completed the swap out of my electronics from Hobbywing to R1 Wurks. I will say the R1 Wurks wireless module and app function much better than Hobbywing. I don’t experience the connectivity issues with R1 that I always get with HW. I honestly can’t tell the difference between the R1 MOD and Super Stock ESCs. The MOD ESC seems identical except with larger capacitor, 12AWG wires, and a fan in the box. Am I wrong?
I find the R1 connectivity annoying at you have to use WiFi and Android complains when connecting to a WiFI access point that doesn't provide internet.

You're pretty much correct between the stock and mod ESCs, physically they're pretty much the same but the stock one has a weaker array of FETs internally which affects the motor turn limit.
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Old 09-10-2024 | 04:39 PM
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I tried a HW pro stock and a Tekin RS both in blinky/zero timing mode in 17.5 2wd buggy. The Tekin worked a lot better (for me) is there any explanation for that? I wouldn’t assume the 80amp limit of the pro stock would be a determining factor but perhaps I’m wrong? Otherwise all I could think of is the wire gauge being different, and the RS doesn’t have a fan on it for whatever that’s worth.
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Old 09-10-2024 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by revo_race
I tried a HW pro stock and a Tekin RS both in blinky/zero timing mode in 17.5 2wd buggy. The Tekin worked a lot better (for me) is there any explanation for that? I wouldn’t assume the 80amp limit of the pro stock would be a determining factor but perhaps I’m wrong? Otherwise all I could think of is the wire gauge being different, and the RS doesn’t have a fan on it for whatever that’s worth.
Depends on what you mean by "worked better" and what settings you used were.
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Old 09-11-2024 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by revo_race
I tried a HW pro stock and a Tekin RS both in blinky/zero timing mode in 17.5 2wd buggy. The Tekin worked a lot better (for me) is there any explanation for that? I wouldn’t assume the 80amp limit of the pro stock would be a determining factor but perhaps I’m wrong? Otherwise all I could think of is the wire gauge being different, and the RS doesn’t have a fan on it for whatever that’s worth.
Basically that should not be possible with blinky but I believe some settings are still possible.
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