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11-02-2016 | 12:42 PM
#5671
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 8,854
From: In a land of mini-mighty mental giants
Well spoken, Kevin.
I didn't see anything getting ugly, if you mean the current direction of the thread. We are simply stating our opinions and trying to justify our positions. It seems to be a healthy and cordial discussion to me. So far no one has questioned anyone else's lineage or IQ!
Also, please don't confuse our banter as being negative. The whole reason we are having the discussion is because we love the class, and would like to see it remain great, or get even better.
I didn't see anything getting ugly, if you mean the current direction of the thread. We are simply stating our opinions and trying to justify our positions. It seems to be a healthy and cordial discussion to me. So far no one has questioned anyone else's lineage or IQ!
Also, please don't confuse our banter as being negative. The whole reason we are having the discussion is because we love the class, and would like to see it remain great, or get even better.
11-02-2016 | 02:23 PM
#5672
Tech Fanatic
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 889
From: columbus oh
I think the time is approaching for a spec motor just for USGT events. Perhaps a manufacturer can be selected by the end of Spring with the motor officially becoming the motor to use by Summer? Use the same method of consistent performance/low price/availability that was used when the Ride Spec tire was selected.
Also spec'ing the esc and battery would be going overboard for now.
I think, by middle 2017, having spec motor and tires and the approved body list would be perfectly reasonable for USGT.
And if the class really grows you could have two classes for the bigger USGT events; 1. a spec motor class, 2. an open 21.5 pro class
I also think a spec motor should;
Still be relatively fast for a 21.5
Under $70 (makes the transition easier to swallow)
open timing (it may be too easy to cheat 'locked' timing)
stator and rotor EASILY identified as spec
Also spec'ing the esc and battery would be going overboard for now.
I think, by middle 2017, having spec motor and tires and the approved body list would be perfectly reasonable for USGT.
And if the class really grows you could have two classes for the bigger USGT events; 1. a spec motor class, 2. an open 21.5 pro class
I also think a spec motor should;
Still be relatively fast for a 21.5
Under $70 (makes the transition easier to swallow)
open timing (it may be too easy to cheat 'locked' timing)
stator and rotor EASILY identified as spec
like the TCS races they use reedy 21.5 motors..but it has to be the spec motor they chose for it & the rotor has to be engraved
Last edited by starrx; 11-02-2016 at 02:35 PM.
11-02-2016 | 02:35 PM
#5673
Thread Starter
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 8,314
From: Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
It's pretty funny, we had a pretty stable spec motor for VTA in the Novak motor. There was plenty of complaining, crying whining, and all other sorts of comments about how terrible the Novak motor was. Everybody wanted something else.
Now there are calls here for a spec motor.
As Kevin said, there are some ideas we are looking at. I can tell you, if we mandated a motor, there would be a ton of complaints because it would not be what someone's personal preference was.
Now there are calls here for a spec motor.
As Kevin said, there are some ideas we are looking at. I can tell you, if we mandated a motor, there would be a ton of complaints because it would not be what someone's personal preference was.
11-02-2016 | 02:41 PM
#5674
Tech Adept
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 211
From: Chicago ,IL
It's pretty funny, we had a pretty stable spec motor for VTA in the Novak motor. There was plenty of complaining, crying whining, and all other sorts of comments about how terrible the Novak motor was. Everybody wanted something else.
Now there are calls here for a spec motor.
As Kevin said, there are some ideas we are looking at. I can tell you, if we mandated a motor, there would be a ton of complaints because it would not be what someone's personal preference was.
Now there are calls here for a spec motor.
As Kevin said, there are some ideas we are looking at. I can tell you, if we mandated a motor, there would be a ton of complaints because it would not be what someone's personal preference was.
Love the class. keep up the good work. Rob and Kevin
Do not know why I waited so long to run it!
11-02-2016 | 02:41 PM
#5675
Tech Fanatic
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 889
From: columbus oh
It's pretty funny, we had a pretty stable spec motor for VTA in the Novak motor. There was plenty of complaining, crying whining, and all other sorts of comments about how terrible the Novak motor was. Everybody wanted something else.
Now there are calls here for a spec motor.
As Kevin said, there are some ideas we are looking at. I can tell you, if we mandated a motor, there would be a ton of complaints because it would not be what someone's personal preference was.
Now there are calls here for a spec motor.
As Kevin said, there are some ideas we are looking at. I can tell you, if we mandated a motor, there would be a ton of complaints because it would not be what someone's personal preference was.
11-02-2016 | 03:07 PM
#5676
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,638
From: Long Island, NY
That made me laugh. Thank you.
Kevin K, I appreciate your thoughts, just remember we're all just bench racing here. We all have our opinions about what would be best, and hopefully we can strike a balance that will bring out the most racers, and keep the class alive. We've all seen things in the past that adversely affected RC racing, and we want to avoid those mistakes. I'll never have the time or money to compete with some of the other racers, but as long as I'm having fun I'll keep racing.
Kevin K, I appreciate your thoughts, just remember we're all just bench racing here. We all have our opinions about what would be best, and hopefully we can strike a balance that will bring out the most racers, and keep the class alive. We've all seen things in the past that adversely affected RC racing, and we want to avoid those mistakes. I'll never have the time or money to compete with some of the other racers, but as long as I'm having fun I'll keep racing.
11-02-2016 | 03:20 PM
#5677
It's pretty funny, we had a pretty stable spec motor for VTA in the Novak motor. There was plenty of complaining, crying whining, and all other sorts of comments about how terrible the Novak motor was. Everybody wanted something else.
Now there are calls here for a spec motor.
As Kevin said, there are some ideas we are looking at. I can tell you, if we mandated a motor, there would be a ton of complaints because it would not be what someone's personal preference was.
Now there are calls here for a spec motor.
As Kevin said, there are some ideas we are looking at. I can tell you, if we mandated a motor, there would be a ton of complaints because it would not be what someone's personal preference was.
11-02-2016 | 03:21 PM
#5678
Tech Master
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 1,268
From: SW Chicago Burbs
Yes I have seen this as well
11-02-2016 | 03:23 PM
#5679
11-02-2016 | 04:34 PM
#5681
11-02-2016 | 06:11 PM
#5683
Exactly . But .... We the end user will be doing the testing ... Sucks to get to a race and a manufacturer has placed hand selected motors at certain individuals pit spots for them to use . And if and when they burn up (short out) get another one handed to them . But we (non team guys) can't get our hands on them
11-02-2016 | 06:40 PM
#5684
so is price the issue here?...cause that idea isnt going to fly....
okay lets look at it this way....motor is $150, but you get the extras, basically best stator, bearings, fancy print out and so on....still legal, but with all the bells and whistles...so the company sorts parts to get the best of the best and keeps it legal to give you a 1% motor?...is this correct?...at the same time the company has a regular priced motor like everyone else, around $100....but for the extra $50, you get the goodies?
well if that is true, whats the difference in a racer buying 10 motors and going thur them to get the best stator,bearings ect?....to make a 1% motor for himself?....
the difference is 10 motors cost you around $1000.....even if you sell the rest at cost, you still took the time and equipment to make your own 1% motor....
so kids, I would rather pay $50 extra than all that other to obtain the same goal.
so even a spec or lock time motor, racers are going to buy several to get that "ONE"
and who is to say $100 or $150 should be the limit?...I got beat at the Nationals with a $30 Trackstar motor...so should we have a bottom cap too...lol....
point is, we can not fix this issue without dramatically changing the class...cause like I said....spec everything is the only real solution...cause if you dont...that hot new lipo will be out soon, and dont forget that super sweet esc about to drop....Now What?
okay lets look at it this way....motor is $150, but you get the extras, basically best stator, bearings, fancy print out and so on....still legal, but with all the bells and whistles...so the company sorts parts to get the best of the best and keeps it legal to give you a 1% motor?...is this correct?...at the same time the company has a regular priced motor like everyone else, around $100....but for the extra $50, you get the goodies?
well if that is true, whats the difference in a racer buying 10 motors and going thur them to get the best stator,bearings ect?....to make a 1% motor for himself?....
the difference is 10 motors cost you around $1000.....even if you sell the rest at cost, you still took the time and equipment to make your own 1% motor....
so kids, I would rather pay $50 extra than all that other to obtain the same goal.
so even a spec or lock time motor, racers are going to buy several to get that "ONE"
and who is to say $100 or $150 should be the limit?...I got beat at the Nationals with a $30 Trackstar motor...so should we have a bottom cap too...lol....
point is, we can not fix this issue without dramatically changing the class...cause like I said....spec everything is the only real solution...cause if you dont...that hot new lipo will be out soon, and dont forget that super sweet esc about to drop....Now What?