Welcome to racing...

There's plenty of room for hobby racing, which many of us enjoy from time to time

But then there's the more competitive, complex side of racing as well
Both can flourish independent of each other.

Having said that .... Outlaw motors meh

Why not just by a cheap mod motor instead

So that is a no.

Right - I don't go to outlaw events. I did however race at the 96 Worlds.

Absolutely yes it is.

Valid position to take and we have done the same thing locally under the current rules. Needs to be the same for everyone either yes or no, no point running outlaw on club days if they are not legal for events as racers just have to spend more money.

Yes and most manufactures make them now. IMO we were better off without outlaw motors and this is partly a failing of the regs which left the door open for modified motors to have stators with a smaller internal diameter.

Having raced both you are incorrect. With outlaw motors there is much less reliance on having the fast motor and the best battery. More reliance on driver skill and results in cheaper racing.

I personally don't like outlaw motors they have the negatives of a mod motor without the pay off.

Back to the original point if everyone runs outlaw there is no problem, if everyone runs ROAR ect approved lists then unless there is extensive scruit racers cheat.

Cheating aside ROAR ect approved has a much greater dependence on the latest and greatest motors and batteries. Racing is just as close but costs more to be competitive.

How so. When was the last time we got 200 plus racers at a regional?

You didn't ask about turnouts.

What rules and tech are in place to control "Outlaw spec"

Sounds like same controversy as a ROAR spec

Same cheaters are going to push the rules in any class but mod

Not that it matters, as the best drivers are still going to win

Most run any commercially available motor of x turn.

Rotors are free to use anything you like, stators need to be marked as per every other motor to indicate the number of turns. Outlaw stators use MOD laminations which has a smaller ID and allow for thicker wire to be used.

There is no need to inspect motors other than the number of turns which makes scruit quicker and easier.

IMO we would be all better off if mod and spec rotors had the same ID rather than 5mm for mod and 7.25mm for spec, there is no cost saving to either with sintered rotors. The same applies to ID of stators, having both spec and mod being different increases costs and makes cheating easier.

Somewhat too late now as the Pandora's box has been opened.

I think a lot of you fail to realize that racing is just a small part of the hobby. It's like saying manufacturers are only allowed to market Roar (ifmar, jmrca, brca, etc.) motors and batteries. There are many RC organizations out there with different rules. If they are interested in Roar, for instance, then they will submit and market a motor for Roar. Of course this all goes back to what the racers want. If you, or the racers, don't like it then change the rules. If you want a more "spec" class that eliminates motor of the week, then do what ETS did for 13.5. One esc and one motor. Done! Otherwise we just stand divided and we are just along for the ride. Me, I just wanna race! Hehe

That's true. I suppose it depends on what one thinks racing is about. I like large turnouts with close racing and scale looking bodies. What has gotten better is setup knowledge, battery technology and chassis design.

Running mod motors fixes the motor wars.

Had 200 car turnouts when it was just mod and stock didn't exist also

Those were the days. Now you have like 10 different classes so that everyone can be a winner.