Well you can see how this stuff always goes. Then again, I have watched people grind other brand motor's timing rings because the initial production had less timing than subsequent production runs. I didn't think it was a big deal or cheating, but of course no one can use any common sense to think critically about this stuff. I just hear "I'm gonna take 5 winds off the stator and put in a mod rotor HEEEEEEEHAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW"

Because that is the exact same thing as getting the extra 5 or 10* of timing that every other motor has.

This is not really directed at you sydewynder, it's just what everybody does when you open the door even a crack. It's why we can't have nice things around here.

Fair enough.

Keep in mind that the rule set is determined by only one person, RobK, and if anyone has a question as to what is or isn't allowed, he will usually respond within a short time right here on RCTech. (EDIT: Which he just did!)

I don't always like all of the rules either. But I do like being able to get an official answer nearly instantaneously, without waiting for a committee to vote on something. Benevolent dictatorships or monarchies can be very efficient!

Rules are always divided into "letter of the rules" and "intent of the rules". Races can only go by the letter, because we rarely have any insight into intent when the rules are written.

Just add "timing rings may be modified to increase timing adjustment available".

Done.

Or don't allow ANY modifications to a stock ROAR approved motor. Then each motor will have to stand on its own merit, warts and all.

Thanks for putting up with us, RobK.



Mark

My experience has been that when I spend more time making my car's setup better, my lap times improve more than when I worry about a better battery or motor.

While I like to challenge for the podium every time I race, over the years I've learned that I'm really racing against the clock and myself. Even if I'm running an "inferior" motor, "old" battery, or "obsolete" chassis, I can still try to get the most out of the equipment I've got. On those rare days that I do get everything right, it is one of the most rewarding feelings I can get racing.

With all the rain we've been having lately, I'll be running a 4 blade 22 degree prop, anybody have a problem with that ?

Is that a detongued prop? You know that's a mod..

Box Stock or Sharpened and Balanced???

Im telling....

This is very well said and I think describes the spirit of RC racing better than anything else. It's a thought angle that I often forget myself. It's easy to throw money at the latest and greatest (says the guy who runs a T4 2015 with top of the line electronics in a 25.5 VTA-ish class), but in the end you have to remember to have fun. It's not only about winning and many things go into making a good race day/night.

I feel the pain whenever I see people modifying motors internally in spec classes.

Show me in the ROAR Rules where it states you cannot alter the timing range of a motor, because I cannot find it.

Grinding the timing ring does not alter any base dimensions or specifications of an approved motor. I've never had to max the available timing on any other motor, so trying to get more out of those would only melt it into a puddle.



edit: If ROAR cared about timing range they would set a max internal+adjustable percent I would think.

Just to make things clear, I run TSR's because they are awesome but I feel the Trackstar is good for the longevity and affordability of the sport.

Ron, it pains me to see people dropping $170 on a motor for spec classes.

Show me in the ROAR rules where it says you are ALLOWED to alter the timing range. I cannot find that either.



Mark

Does ROAR measure the available timing of a motor as part of it's approval process?

If they don't....

The guys that do this are the ones who destroy spec class racing. It usually the ones who aren't the best drivers, knowing they couldn't be competitive in a mod class and can't stand loosing. They killed the stock Slash off-road class by me and I hope they stay away from our on-road. This class is the most competitive and fun class I have raced alongside 17.5 buggy.