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Old 05-10-2013 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Blown up
They should have more pack than the 8x1.3's Nice find on the VPpro horn's.
The stock have less pack. I swapped in the black 8x1.3's yesterday with the same oils and there was a world of difference.

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Does anyone else have a problem with the servo horn rubbing the body? Well not the actual horn but the screw that connects it to the connecting arm. I dremeled the screw down to gain some more clearance but it's still not enough. I'm running a hot bodies servo horn.
Had the same problem, used a different screw and thread lock.
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Old 05-10-2013 | 08:00 AM
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Just going to post this on next page so it hopefully will answer some questions


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This page is full of conflicting piston info . lol
What is the O.D. of the pistons ?
So I did some math ..
1.2 x 8 hole =9.03mm³
1.1x 10 hole =9.49mm³
1.3 x 8 holes =10.61mm³
1.2 x 10 holes =11.30mm³
The formula is πr² (3.14 x [1/2 of hole x 1/2 of hole ]x # of holes
1.2 mm with 10 holes ::
3.14 x [ .6 x .6] x 10 holes =
3.14 x .36 x 10=
3.14 x .36 x 10 = 11.30
Hope this helps
This will only apply to strait hole pistons
The angles hole pistons when moving slow will act just like (or close enough) to a strait drilled piston but wonce speed of compression increases it will block some of the hole , kind of like crimping a water hose .
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Old 05-10-2013 | 08:08 AM
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if you have a tall servo like the spectrum i am using you have to notch the body...i wasn't happy about that but this servo is a beast...
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Old 05-10-2013 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Gene158
Does anyone else have a problem with the servo horn rubbing the body? Well not the actual horn but the screw that connects it to the connecting arm. I dremeled the screw down to gain some more clearance but it's still not enough. I'm running a hot bodies servo horn.
Yes, the Hot Bodies servo horn is taller in design than others. I ended up using my Losi horn from my old 8ight.

Servo dimensions also vary like beaven said. The horn in post #6306 also looks like a nice low profile option.
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Old 05-10-2013 | 09:03 AM
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I'm not trying to be a smarty pants... I'm confused w/the 8x1.3's having more pack. It goes against everything I've ever read online and we all kno that everything u read online is true...
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Old 05-10-2013 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Hinecken
The stock have less pack. I swapped in the black 8x1.3's yesterday with the same oils and there was a world of difference.
Yea but the black have angled holes so that is where you are getting the extra pack from. Two of the same piston but one with 10 x 1.1 and one with 8 x 1.3 the 10 x 1.1 should have more pack. Its only complicated by using pistons with a different design.


My plan when I get my horn in is to run a button head down from the top with a nut on the bottom (hopefully it will fit). Then I will probably shoe goo a piece of scrap lexan to the body in the location where it might rub to hopefully preserve my paint job.
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Old 05-10-2013 | 09:13 AM
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The original 10x1.1s had too much low speed dampening, so Tekno advised to drill them to 1.2. Those had too little pack, so people started trying 8x1.3. That seems to be the sweet spot for this car.

Originally Posted by Blown up
I'm not trying to be a smarty pants... I'm confused w/the 8x1.3's having more pack. It goes against everything I've ever read online and we all kno that everything u read online is true...
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Old 05-10-2013 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisAttebery
The original 10x1.1s had too much low speed dampening, so Tekno advised to drill them to 1.2. Those had too little pack, so people started trying 8x1.3. That seems to be the sweet spot for this car.
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wonder how the 10 holes would feel with 5 1.1s and 5 1.2s similar to the pistons that Avid offers in this configuration ...
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Old 05-10-2013 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Cain
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wonder how the 10 holes would feel with 5 1.1s and 5 1.2s similar to the pistons that Avid offers in this configuration ...
The 5x1.1+5/1.2 would give u 10.40mm³ so it would have slightly more pack than the 8/1.3
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Old 05-10-2013 | 09:36 AM
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What I'm not getting is why r u all changing to 1.3/8 pistons to get more pack than the stock 1.1/10 pistons r they designed different
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Old 05-10-2013 | 09:40 AM
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All you have taken into account is hole area. Smaller holes will pack up sooner than larger holes. The 8x1.3s are a little more plush and give better traction over rough rough surfaces, but still give you decent pack. The 10x1.1 or 5x1.1+5x1.2 will pack up sooner and may bounce over rough surfaces.
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Old 05-10-2013 | 10:13 AM
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To add to all of the discussion and throw another HUGE variable into the mix - the height of the holes (thickness of the piston) will have drastic affects on damping characteristics. Unless the pistons are identical in thickness, they can't be directly compared. For example, thicker pistons need larger holes for the same effective damping with the same weight oil. The jury is still out as far as whether a thinner or thicker piston is better.

Carry on...
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Old 05-10-2013 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisAttebery
All you have taken into account is hole area. Smaller holes will pack up sooner than larger holes. The 8x1.3s are a little more plush and give better traction over rough rough surfaces, but still give you decent pack. The 10x1.1 or 5x1.1+5x1.2 will pack up sooner and may bounce over rough surfaces.
OK I understand this so why does one think the 8/1.3 have more pack . then they have more area and bigger holes
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Old 05-10-2013 | 10:14 AM
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wouldn't the 10 1.1 with 50wt vs 8 1.3 with 40 wt be pretty much the same? I need lots of pack for large flat landing jumps but its bumpy to. What would be my best bet? Im running front 50wt yellow 10 1.1 rear 45wt orange 10 1.1 The pack feels really good but little to bouncy in bumpy section.
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Old 05-10-2013 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rcguy76559
wouldn't the 10 1.1 with 50wt vs 8 1.3 with 40 wt be pretty much the same? I need lots of pack for large flat landing jumps but its bumpy to. What would be my best bet? Im running front 50wt yellow 10 1.1 rear 45wt orange 10 1.1 The pack feels really good but little to bouncy in bumpy section.
Lighten the oil a little bit and increase your ride height and droop.
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