5LikesSC10 4x4 Thread
03-26-2012 | 11:29 AM
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[QUOTE=CraigMBA;10518319]
And that begs the question, strictly speculating - how much faster would the Ryans be than Kody and Max?
A second a lap?
Nice try ...
less then a ..3 to .4 sec between fast lap with 2wSC on same track & heat ....
And that begs the question, strictly speculating - how much faster would the Ryans be than Kody and Max?
A second a lap?
Nice try ...
less then a ..3 to .4 sec between fast lap with 2wSC on same track & heat ....
03-26-2012 | 11:31 AM
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This truck is great in a high bite situation. The two big races this truck has won were both high bite. The Cactus used to be high bite, but by all accounts, it wasn't this year.
I've been to Hot Rod Hobbies to race a lot, and when it grooves up (aka a big race where they sweep every couple of rounds), the grip is insane and it's a ton of fun to run on. For a club race? Not so much - more like somebody took a barrel of marbles and poured it on a concrete floor that was in poor condition. Under normal, non-big race circumstances the shaft drives pwn that joint.
Maybe. Like you wrote, grid position matters a lot at this sort of event, and that means you have to have a truck with pace during qualifying.
I heard somebody on Speed comment during the F1 race yesterday make the same sort of comment about the current Ferrari - Massa is showing the cars 'real' pace (and is likely to get fired at any moment), and Alonzo is really out performing by putting in Herculean drives every time he gets behind the wheel.
And that begs the question, strictly speculating - how much faster would the Ryans be than Kody and Max? A second a lap? Because for the rest of us sportsman racers climbing into a phone booth and whipping out the cape and boots ain't an option and we need a better car.
If I thought users were sport bitching, I'd agree, but IMO they aren't. The truck is really good in high bite conditions, and not so much in medium and low conditions - and IMO it's not for lack of setup.
I've been to Hot Rod Hobbies to race a lot, and when it grooves up (aka a big race where they sweep every couple of rounds), the grip is insane and it's a ton of fun to run on. For a club race? Not so much - more like somebody took a barrel of marbles and poured it on a concrete floor that was in poor condition. Under normal, non-big race circumstances the shaft drives pwn that joint.
Maybe. Like you wrote, grid position matters a lot at this sort of event, and that means you have to have a truck with pace during qualifying.
I heard somebody on Speed comment during the F1 race yesterday make the same sort of comment about the current Ferrari - Massa is showing the cars 'real' pace (and is likely to get fired at any moment), and Alonzo is really out performing by putting in Herculean drives every time he gets behind the wheel.
And that begs the question, strictly speculating - how much faster would the Ryans be than Kody and Max? A second a lap? Because for the rest of us sportsman racers climbing into a phone booth and whipping out the cape and boots ain't an option and we need a better car.
If I thought users were sport bitching, I'd agree, but IMO they aren't. The truck is really good in high bite conditions, and not so much in medium and low conditions - and IMO it's not for lack of setup.
03-26-2012 | 11:43 AM
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I understand they want to stamp out the TLR 22's and 22t's but why wouldn't they want to stomp out the ScTE and Durango's?
It's a fact that AE ignored the sc 4x4 class...and that's not good. I would think that the Cactus track would be right on par with the type of track the sc104x4 works with.
I think the SC10 4x4 is a great truck and I love mine but this speak louder than words. Commit to the chassis or don't AE. Don't just put out a FT kit that covers all the mods everyone in this thread made themselves and re-brand it yours and then ignore racing it.
03-26-2012 | 12:27 PM
Mind you, weight distribution is not a flaw - it's a feature. Higher static weight on the front axle gives better grip on sweepers, and more bite off the corner (in a 4wd). Higher static weight on the rear axle increases weight transfer getting into the corner.
Notice the AE setup sheets almost always put more weight on the rear axle? Notice the AE setup sheets are almost always on a high bite track?
(Answer - WCRC in La Mirada and OCRC in Huntington Beach, and grip is high at both facilities.)
03-26-2012 | 12:30 PM
- I pulled out a lap that was .5 behind Pillars on his buggy one night with my 4x4. I'm getting as good as pillars? Not! <-- 'that's purely tease, and backing up my statement. I was oddly excited about it though.
Some of you need to get a grasp on what "negativity" is.
This was a prime example of not putting the boots down to show off the 4x4 a week after the FT's release. Am I worried? Does this turn off the car for me? No. But there was a point to be made this weekend, and they kept it safe I think.
03-26-2012 | 12:36 PM
And to add to this, IMO this becomes kind of academic - you put your best drivers in the classes where you have the best chance to win given the circumstances. I don't think there's anything wrong with what AE did, particularly considering that 2013 is a 1/10th Worlds year.
03-26-2012 | 12:39 PM
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In addition, if anyone wants to see the Maifeild and Cavalieri use the near stock sc10 4x4 (with none of the upgrades that all of the guys on here have developed) beat the losi's top drivers (including phend, truhe) on a slick track, watch this video for inspiration (also good music):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkYpTkCTNk0
Also, here are the results: http://www.hotrodhobbies.com/images/...reedytruck.pdf
That's right, Maifeld 1st, Phend 2nd, and Cavalieri 3rd. Also, Truhe was 6th.
Regardless of the above, I haven't even received my FT kit, but I'm still excited about it and can't wait to tune it to get it and get it race ready.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkYpTkCTNk0
Also, here are the results: http://www.hotrodhobbies.com/images/...reedytruck.pdf
That's right, Maifeld 1st, Phend 2nd, and Cavalieri 3rd. Also, Truhe was 6th.
Regardless of the above, I haven't even received my FT kit, but I'm still excited about it and can't wait to tune it to get it and get it race ready.
03-26-2012 | 12:41 PM
Seriously?That race was a full on goatscrew. Don't take my word for it:
http://www.thebigrc.com/?p=2633
A3 of mod SC is a hack fest but won by Kody Numedahl
03-26-2012 | 01:09 PM
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Being 'just as fast' as the "so called best" one time only proves so much. I 'know' kody is fast and I root for him, but several others won once over "the best" too. It didn't mean much on the podium.
- I pulled out a lap that was .5 behind Pillars on his buggy one night with my 4x4. I'm getting as good as pillars? Not! <-- 'that's purely tease, and backing up my statement. I was oddly excited about it though.
Welcome to page 1339?
Some of you need to get a grasp on what "negativity" is.
This was a prime example of not putting the boots down to show off the 4x4 a week after the FT's release. Am I worried? Does this turn off the car for me? No. But there was a point to be made this weekend, and they kept it safe I think.
- I pulled out a lap that was .5 behind Pillars on his buggy one night with my 4x4. I'm getting as good as pillars? Not! <-- 'that's purely tease, and backing up my statement. I was oddly excited about it though.
Welcome to page 1339?
Some of you need to get a grasp on what "negativity" is.
This was a prime example of not putting the boots down to show off the 4x4 a week after the FT's release. Am I worried? Does this turn off the car for me? No. But there was a point to be made this weekend, and they kept it safe I think.
03-26-2012 | 01:16 PM
In addition, if anyone wants to see the Maifeild and Cavalieri use the near stock sc10 4x4 (with none of the upgrades that all of the guys on here have developed) beat the losi's top drivers (including phend, truhe) on a slick track, watch this video for inspiration (also good music):
03-26-2012 | 01:17 PM
In addition, if anyone wants to see the Maifeild and Cavalieri use the near stock sc10 4x4 (with none of the upgrades that all of the guys on here have developed) beat the losi's top drivers (including phend, truhe) on a slick track, watch this video for inspiration (also good music):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkYpTkCTNk0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkYpTkCTNk0
Big race weekends Hot Rod has awesome grip once it rubbers in - maybe the highest grip I've ever seen in an outdoor race. Look at the black groove that has formed. Maifield is running either barcodes or pressure points, something that only works there when the grip is up.
This is what Hot Rod usually looks like for a club race (read that, every day except for the Shootout, JBRL race, or the Reedy Race).
| + YouTube Video | |
IMO, if you get your chassis to work at a club race, you're going to be hurting when they have a big race after it grooves up and starts to take rubber.
Also, they had all the FT parts at that race.
03-26-2012 | 01:24 PM
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[QUOTE=Eaglesrx;10518729]In addition, if anyone wants to see the Maifeild and Cavalieri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkYpTkCTNk0
jumps awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkYpTkCTNk0
jumps awesome