Yep. Seen it time and again. All it does is push away people from the RC 'scene'.

I understand that RC companies thrive on our inability to settle for second place, and they will make more $ selling v2 and v3 speedos and motors to people willing to throw away said $ on those hopes of first place.

But what happened to building quality products that last YEARS... and can be competitive during that span of time?

Oh wait... Tekin did this with the RS/RX series speedos. Theres nothing like upgradeable firmware. ROAR fixed that. Blinky to the rescue.

The B4 has been at the lead of the pack for how long? And Thunder Tiger has fenagled a way to coax us into wanting two additional versions of the car in the latter 1/3rd of its existence?

The RC8B... how many re-released versions are there since its inception?

More and more companies are following the money making trend of XRAY... re releasing kits with "upgraded" parts that were likely on the drawing board at the time of the kits inception. Its just a way to push the industry forward at the expense of our wallets... and at the cost of people staying in the hobby.

Sorry... rambling. Its just frustrating to see racers as their own demise. There can only be one winner on raceday... and 2nd place is first loser. But im cool with that... because NOW im having FUN.

Hm. Is it also for clearance of the hex setup maybe? I havent had a 3 hole caster block in my hands yet. I still have like 8 pair of 2 hole. lol

I work on a sprint car, well when it is not winter, and I take that very seriously. I've won a lot of races and championships over the last ten years and at times, when we are running like crap, I am miserable. John and I constantly run our mouths to each other and while everyone is talking about set-ups and how to get faster we are comparing who is more childish. I absolutely refuse to take this seriously.

i like how theilke is running ghea pistons, which ones are guys running on indoor smooth med high bite clay?

Also due is running losi pistons? I follow maifields setup for the car, I drive aggressive so it should work. Funny how in one week my car is so pushy due to track bite going way up. only a good thing tho=]

Depends on what your local tracks rules are about motors. You could ask your race director and if it's ok I wouldn't see a problem with it. We remedy this at my local track by just running 'open' classes.

Whos sprint car do you work on?

Tim Allison, we run at Lima on Fridays and then travel a little on Saturdays. I also help Darren Long a little here and there. I've spent some time in Indiana at Gas City, Lawrenceburg, and Kokomo. The non-wing guys are a lot more fun to hang out with but wings are closer for me. Had the chance to be at Lil Shu's place for an airing of Jackslash and that was an experience for sure. Joe Devin has to be one of the coolest guys period.

I'm sorry is this has already but discussed, but didn't see anything on a quick search.
So looking at the springs they are using, the best I can figure out is they are running these springs weights on the front:
Kyosho White = 3.72 lbs./in.
Kyosho Pink - 3.58 lbs./in.
Losi Red = 2.5 lbs./in.
Those seem really heavy comparing to a Associated Brown which is 2.8 lbs./in.

In the rear:
Kyosho Gold - 2.5 lbs./in.
Losi White - 1.8 lbs./in.
As compared to the Associated Green which in 1.9 lbs./in.

Am I looking at this right?

Yea, I've given up trying to keep up with those "modified-stock" guys. Pretty happy I can keep pace with folks I know who are truely stock like me. IMO, if a motor/esc has been opened, its no longer stock.

No, you are correct. They are running a much stiffer spring. Except for Chad. He is running softer, although he is the only person I have seen run red fronts. Most run silver or orange. I think the Kyohso springs may be progressive, but I don't know that for a fact. Either way, every BB setup I have seen has been with considerably stiffer springs than std. I myself run silver front with yellow rear (losi springs) most of the time.

I believe the difference here is kyosho is more of a progressive spring and its theoretical is a lot higher than the actual. I found a list of actual on the kyosho and it went
Front
K White 3.22
K Pink 3.08

rear
Gold 2.14


So yes they are heavier expect for due's losi spring setup which seemed light...

But also the car is longer and things are a bit different with that, you know how the standard spring for the T4.1 was Blue (3.45) and the SC10 was around Blue to Red (3.45-3.90) so a little bit stiffer up front than the brown makes sense, and the kyo pink is lighter (assumed actual) then the AE silver, which it wasnt super uncommon to see people using..

Thats at least how i like to rationalize it in my head, prob not even close

You cant really compare one manufacturers spring rate to anothers. Different methods of coming up with the rate numbers are usually used. It's like comparing shock oils weights.

I agree. Now I know that I have nowhere near the same driving skill as the fast and consistent guys at the track but when I'm getting smoked on the straight (not much skill needed to point and pull the trigger) and I ask what they are running and they say "17.5 nt" I cry foul. And this in both buggy and SC 2wd. Oh well I've got other driving issues I need to worry about anyways.

Has anyone noticed on Cavalieris car on the worlds box that his springs are old Losi springs? It looks as if he took all the coating off of them but left a little pink on the bottom of the rear and marked the silver with a little paint. Yet the setups still say brown and green. I believe that the longer chassis may actually need a little firmer spring as well.

After reading the countless posts about what the Pros run.
I am starting to think they do some funny stuff to their cars so people come on here and post about it over and over again.

Not attacking you. just something I have been seeing the last few weeks or hell. after I bought my Buggy lol