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Old 02-05-2012 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Cameron Kellogg
If I am thinking correct the motor rotation torque is throwing weight forward? So the idler would move it back?

Team Losi drivers here run their trucks run ride height at 27mm. This helps them jump! Sounds like a little thing but it does give the truck more hop. Makes the SC10 flip over all the time though.

Its not an acceleration problem or even the distance, its the lack of control in the air. I was pulling away from pretty much everyone (i have a 4600 now!!) but no matter how I hit the jump it was either nose down or up and I couldnt change the direction either way. 1 out of 5 times it would be great and on those attempts I let off the throttle at the bottom of hill. Problem with that is both of these jumps were FULL speed jumps, if for some reason you were not lined up straight you need that extra uuumph. If you are on the throttle taking off the nose goes up and if you dont catch it in time your gonna tumble.
Farmer, the guy who TQ'd and won is the guy i race week in and week out, i have only manged to beat him once in a year and it took everything i had to do it. Double singling that jump while he triples it just aint gonna get it done! I play to win which is why i push so hard to MAKE this truck work in all situations. From an engineering point of view its four wheels driven by a motor so anything is possible just have to figure it out. I feel that the products i have designed combined with the feedback from this forum has gotten us close, imagine if the internet did not exist

I will have an idler gear setup by the weekend and will see what it does, may work may not nobody knows but i have the ability to at least try it! Seeing as i am going to have to run on that track for the next few months I am going to have to figure it out or get beat.......I hate losing and I aint giving up. Friday was the closest i have actually come to switching i actually had an SCTE in my hands on my bench and i contemplated changing but thought about this thread and all of you! This wasnt the case for some..........
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Old 02-05-2012 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SCTDan
Just throwing out an idea but what about adding lead foil inside the wheel rims to add rotating mass. It may help with in air adjustments. Not sure how it would effect handling.
Funny but i actually tried that on a 4w buggy but i couldnt figure out a cheap way to keep the weight in tact. I only got a few laps in and it did feel different but not enough time to give an honest opinion. Maybe i can get my old mand to make some stainless rings that fit inside the wheel.
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Old 02-05-2012 | 09:33 AM
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[QUOTE=MantisWorx;10280244

SO Cherry lets see some video. You talk alot of smack for someone with no proof! I promise i will beat you on any track at anytime especially if you run that setup.[/QUOTE]



No smack talk from me yet , not one bit from me ..

You are the one who saying I'm "nutz" about using factory drivers advise & set-ups ...

Video's ?

Not really...


How bout some results ?

I got some of those.......
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Old 02-05-2012 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SCTDan
Just throwing out an idea but what about adding lead foil inside the wheel rims to add rotating mass. It may help with in air adjustments. Not sure how it would effect handling.
was wondering the same thing.

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Funny but i actually tried that on a 4w buggy but i couldnt figure out a cheap way to keep the weight in tact. I only got a few laps in and it did feel different but not enough time to give an honest opinion. Maybe i can get my old mand to make some stainless rings that fit inside the wheel.
I know the guys out here for 1/8 wheels would balance them using the lead tape that you use with tennis rackets. its adhesive and seems to stick quite well.

Not sure if that is the stuff you were having issues with keeping it to stick.
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Old 02-05-2012 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Cameron Kellogg
If I am thinking correct the motor rotation torque is throwing weight forward? So the idler would move it back?

Team Losi drivers here run their trucks run ride height at 27mm. This helps them jump! Sounds like a little thing but it does give the truck more hop. Makes the SC10 flip over all the time though.
Your truck looked nice on Saturday. Not sure if its the weight or the 2 stage pistons but after watching it land the big double it was stuck, no bounce or hop. The other trucks looked like belt sanders(Mark Anton's words) with bodies on the track.
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Old 02-05-2012 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Wild Cherry
No smack talk from me yet , not one bit from me ..

You are the one who saying I'm "nutz" about using factory drivers advise & set-ups ...

Video's ?

Not really...


How bout some results ?

I got some of those.......
I am done with you, have a good day.
enjoy life and all its fruitful givings.
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Old 02-05-2012 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MantisWorx
Farmer, the guy who TQ'd and won is the guy i race week in and week out, i have only manged to beat him once in a year and it took everything i had to do it. Double singling that jump while he triples it just aint gonna get it done!
How much time would you lose if you doubled and singled the triple? I'd give up the 2 to 3 tenths of a second (if its even that much) on the triple if I could double single it every time. If the truck works well on the rest of the track you should be able to make that up. Racers have to choose the best line for their car or truck on that particular day. It may not be as fast on one section of the track but faster on a different section.
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Old 02-05-2012 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bcrazy
How much time would you loose if you doubled and singled the triple? I'd give up the 2 to 3 tenths of a second (if its even that much) on the triple if I could double single it every time. If the truck works well on the rest of the track you should be able to make that up. Racers have to choose the best line for their car or truck on that particular day. It may not be as fast on one section of the track but faster on a different section.

Thats assuming this guy is slower on the rest of the track!! He is not, so im just going to get further and further behind and its not only him there at least two other quick Losi's that i have to worry about. If i am in front of a Losi leading up to the triples i have to slow down to double and he is full throttle i get plowed form the back or landed on. This happened a few times in practice. This is not a good situation I am going to have to figure out how to fix this issue or convert a RC8 into a SC! and on that subject Mugen and Serpent are both working on Ebuggy SC's as we speak, its about to get hectic with this real soon...
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Old 02-05-2012 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MantisWorx
I am done with you, have a good day.
enjoy life and all its fruitful givings.


Best of luck & remember , lots of cheese baby ....



BTW

Don't blame the car ......

Sounds like a on-roader K ?
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Old 02-05-2012 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Wild Cherry
Best of luck & remember , lots of cheese baby ....



BTW

Don't blame the car ......

Sounds like a on-roader K ?

That makes about as much sense as the rest of your stupid post, please stop.
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Old 02-05-2012 | 09:59 AM
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Well mantis ,reversing the motor or drive train rotation to help make a jump is even more insane ..
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Old 02-05-2012 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Wild Cherry
Well mantis ,reversing the motor or drive train rotation to help make a jump is even more insane ..
REAlly?? you just cemented your RC knowledge

I own a Durango DEX210 which can be built in 4 configs for just that reason. IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT RM4 BUILT BUGGIES JUMP NOSE HIGH AND RM3 DOES NOT AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS MOTOR ROTATION. you really should stop, your just digging a deeper hole. Isnt there a Cody/Ryan fan club thread you can contribute to somewhere? I tried to bow out and leave this alone but if you want to continue with this so be it...BRING IT!
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Old 02-05-2012 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdav
Your truck looked nice on Saturday. Not sure if its the weight or the 2 stage pistons but after watching it land the big double it was stuck, no bounce or hop. The other trucks looked like belt sanders(Mark Anton's words) with bodies on the track.
Thanks Tom! Still need to work out some some things to get more rotation, not sure if it's me or the truck but I think I should be about .5 sec faster laps than I am. That jump bump at the end of the straight it a little tough for me to deal with too. The truck is better with RCShox pistons when aimed correctly before launch. Fine by me if I am the only one that runs them. Not good for RCShox sales but good for me.

Originally Posted by bcrazy
How much time would you lose if you doubled and singled the triple? I'd give up the 2 to 3 tenths of a second (if its even that much) on the triple if I could double single it every time. If the truck works well on the rest of the track you should be able to make that up. Racers have to choose the best line for their car or truck on that particular day. It may not be as fast on one section of the track but faster on a different section.
I agree if one guy can do it you better do it to or your not going to win. Last layout we had a triple and to double single was .5 sec a lap slower easily.
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Old 02-05-2012 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Terra Rover
I have been looking for bearing kits for the SC10 4x4 but with not much luck. I wanted Acer but they don't have anything and the last I heard they were not planning on creating a kit. Was told that they won't make a kit because the don't have a certain size and wont make that size for one kit. I have seen that avid has a custom build kit and Boca has a couple (cheap priced and expensive priced, nothing in between).My question to all of you is are the AE bearings fine for racing or should I be trying to get a good aftermarket kit?
Are the Avid bearings good? How are their ceramic bearings? For those of you who may know, what custom Avid bearing kit would you recommend?
Are there any other companies that make good quality bearing upgrade kits for this rig?
I want to install these when I get and build my Factory Team kit.
Thanks guys.
The BOCA econo kit has been good for me. Only issue was that the diff bearings were about 2mm to wide, may want to replace those with the better rubber sealed bearings anyway.
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Old 02-05-2012 | 10:25 AM
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OK so curious about Mantis idea I took the wheels off my truck and can feel no weight transfer when going from full throttle to brake, or just stop to full throttle. The truck is just too heavy for the motor to change the weight of the truck. This is with a 5.5 2pole motor so maybe a 4 pole motor would change that. But right now I think all of the change you get in flight is from the weight of the wheels.
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