NOVAK. THIS IS IT!
09-21-2010 | 04:42 PM
#17
~ speed control (brand/model) - NOVAK
~ motor (brand/wind) - NOVAK Ballistic 6.5
~ number/type of cells - 2S LiPo
~ battery, brand (c rating/capacity - Team Orion 5000mAh 45C
~ rotor (old/new) - New
~ connectors used - Deans Plug and Bullet Plug On Battery Side
~ servo (brand/model) - Futaba BLS9551
~ radio system (receiver/transmitter) RX-451/M11X
~ vehicle & gearing - Tamiya DB-01R FDR 10.38
~ warranty claim? None
~ lipo cut-off, on/off - Default
~ any external modules (BEC/brand, Glitch Buster) - None
~ other important info: water damage, corrosive chemical sprays, excess heat, - everything works E.g Servo, Rx, And ESC Fan except the esc. its not even able to flash any LEDs
~ motor (brand/wind) - NOVAK Ballistic 6.5
~ number/type of cells - 2S LiPo
~ battery, brand (c rating/capacity - Team Orion 5000mAh 45C
~ rotor (old/new) - New
~ connectors used - Deans Plug and Bullet Plug On Battery Side
~ servo (brand/model) - Futaba BLS9551
~ radio system (receiver/transmitter) RX-451/M11X
~ vehicle & gearing - Tamiya DB-01R FDR 10.38
~ warranty claim? None
~ lipo cut-off, on/off - Default
~ any external modules (BEC/brand, Glitch Buster) - None
~ other important info: water damage, corrosive chemical sprays, excess heat, - everything works E.g Servo, Rx, And ESC Fan except the esc. its not even able to flash any LEDs
09-21-2010 | 04:52 PM
#18
i understand how you feel, it can be very frustrating, however i personally love novak esc's. we race in 110+ degree weather and i have never had a esc thermal. we are very lucky at our local track we have a team driver for novak that knows these things inside and out and always helps with any problems
09-21-2010 | 05:03 PM
#19
Most speed controls doesnīt support the SSR Modus yet (except for the LRP SXX Stock Spec, #80910) The setup on the transmitter most then be choosen for each receiver, when you use another speed control that donīt work with SSR Mode. you might want to put th in normal mode.
Speed Passion
Tekin
HobbyWing Speed Passion Counter parts
Castles
KO Propo
Isnt Novak suppose to be high end also ?
09-21-2010 | 05:20 PM
#21
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I have one that I run in RCGT with a 17.5 Ballistic.
It is coming out of the car today. It is 'working', but I find the way it 'works' is annoying:
-- The colored LEDs to program are nearly impossible to see at the track (especially the amber and blue in the bright light).
-- Novak is not temperature tolerant. I struggle and worry about temps on hot days. So far, so good on temps, but I am not as fast as others cars due to the size of the pinion I am limited to (35/70 and would like to bump to 37/70)
-- The ESC seems to 'forget' sometimes. I have had to reprogram it 5 times (not at the track due to the bright light) to provide 'reverse'. I am reprograming it again to work in reverse before I leave the house for the track later this morning.
-- There are plenty of racers at the track that are NOT running Novak. Many of them had Novak and experienced a burnt out system due to heat. I have personally seen one guy burn out 2 of them since May. He is running normal equipment in a normal way. All related to heat.
I picked up a Tekin RS and Hotwire two days ago. Plugged it in to my computer last night and updated the software to the latest version, programmed the ESC via the Hotwire and updated the ESC in a matter of 10 mins. I am impressed.
As I look around our group of racers, all the fastest and most consistent racers are running non-Novak systems. Novak has a good marketing approach and they are reasonably priced. That does not make them viable solutions for racers that are looking for consistent and solid performance.
I am not knocking Novak and have not had a really negative experience (other than the ESC 'forgetting settings'), but I think for serious racing where heat is a concern, you might be better off with another brand. I understand brand loyalty, but it seems to be that after having to replace a product a few times, the typical racer would move on to something else.
Good luck! Great racing!
It is coming out of the car today. It is 'working', but I find the way it 'works' is annoying:
-- The colored LEDs to program are nearly impossible to see at the track (especially the amber and blue in the bright light).
-- Novak is not temperature tolerant. I struggle and worry about temps on hot days. So far, so good on temps, but I am not as fast as others cars due to the size of the pinion I am limited to (35/70 and would like to bump to 37/70)
-- The ESC seems to 'forget' sometimes. I have had to reprogram it 5 times (not at the track due to the bright light) to provide 'reverse'. I am reprograming it again to work in reverse before I leave the house for the track later this morning.
-- There are plenty of racers at the track that are NOT running Novak. Many of them had Novak and experienced a burnt out system due to heat. I have personally seen one guy burn out 2 of them since May. He is running normal equipment in a normal way. All related to heat.
I picked up a Tekin RS and Hotwire two days ago. Plugged it in to my computer last night and updated the software to the latest version, programmed the ESC via the Hotwire and updated the ESC in a matter of 10 mins. I am impressed.
As I look around our group of racers, all the fastest and most consistent racers are running non-Novak systems. Novak has a good marketing approach and they are reasonably priced. That does not make them viable solutions for racers that are looking for consistent and solid performance.
I am not knocking Novak and have not had a really negative experience (other than the ESC 'forgetting settings'), but I think for serious racing where heat is a concern, you might be better off with another brand. I understand brand loyalty, but it seems to be that after having to replace a product a few times, the typical racer would move on to something else.
Good luck! Great racing!
All I will say is 'night and day'. The new combo is easier to program, stronger in performance and not as intolerant to the heat. I am one happy camper...
09-21-2010 | 05:23 PM
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Wow. I guess NOVAK should just back out of the industry because they don't support one of the 35 different radio protocols.
I think a bunch here need to jump in a time machine and go back 15-20 years when NOVAK and TEKIN were the only games in town. Unless you liked running an extra servo, 2 miles of wire and stepped SC's.
Novak and Tekin both helped raise the electric market to what it is now. If Novak takes a little longer to put out a product, then so be it. You can be assured that product is going to be the best that can be made...FOR THE PRICE.
The amount of bandwagon riding for some no-name startups that have been in the industry for what? 5 years? Novak has been in since what....1986?
and I LOL @ Hobbywing junk being classed in the same as Novak. Maybe if they had solid traces, that actually could handle the current present in the ESC, they might come close. Might.
CC? Ask on the flight boards how well the Phoenix lines are doing. Last CC I had cost me a 1200 dollar Heli when the BOARDS SEPERATED. Great QC on that....and I love the shrinkwrap for a casing
I think a bunch here need to jump in a time machine and go back 15-20 years when NOVAK and TEKIN were the only games in town. Unless you liked running an extra servo, 2 miles of wire and stepped SC's.
Novak and Tekin both helped raise the electric market to what it is now. If Novak takes a little longer to put out a product, then so be it. You can be assured that product is going to be the best that can be made...FOR THE PRICE.
The amount of bandwagon riding for some no-name startups that have been in the industry for what? 5 years? Novak has been in since what....1986?
and I LOL @ Hobbywing junk being classed in the same as Novak. Maybe if they had solid traces, that actually could handle the current present in the ESC, they might come close. Might.
CC? Ask on the flight boards how well the Phoenix lines are doing. Last CC I had cost me a 1200 dollar Heli when the BOARDS SEPERATED. Great QC on that....and I love the shrinkwrap for a casing
09-21-2010 | 05:31 PM
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I have alot of other friends who use Novak ESC Eg. GTB, SLYDR, HAVOC SPORT, HAVOC PRO, XBR, ROOSTER, And GTX
Only 2 of them had Problems with the havoc pro before
Is 81 degrees F hot, how is it like in your place?
when i was using my 3rd esc I changed all my electronics
Servo
Futaba S9551 to Futaba BLS9551
TX
Sanwa MX3-FG to Sanwa M11X
RX
sanwa RX442FS to RX-451
LiPo Battey
Acorn racing 3800mAh 36C to Team Orion Carbon Molecular 5000mAh 45C
Only 2 of them had Problems with the havoc pro before
Is 81 degrees F hot, how is it like in your place?
when i was using my 3rd esc I changed all my electronics
Servo
Futaba S9551 to Futaba BLS9551
TX
Sanwa MX3-FG to Sanwa M11X
RX
sanwa RX442FS to RX-451
LiPo Battey
Acorn racing 3800mAh 36C to Team Orion Carbon Molecular 5000mAh 45C
After buying 1 Kinetic and running it for 1 day I sold all my ESCs and replaced them with Kinetic. All of my Kinetics work great and I have yet to have a problem.
09-21-2010 | 05:48 PM
#24
I was a novak fan for years til i got ahold of a LRP and i wont go back to anything else. I run the LRP SPHERE TC (have 2 of them) AND THE LRP SPX. Wont go to anything else. They last ALONG time and easy to use/setup. They also have the timing advances in the 8 profiles to choose from. Iv'e been in this hobby on and off for over 25 yrs.
09-21-2010 | 05:57 PM
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I was a novak fan for years til i got ahold of a LRP and i wont go back to anything else. I run the LRP SPHERE TC (have 2 of them) AND THE LRP SPX. Wont go to anything else. They last ALONG time and easy to use/setup. They also have the timing advances in the 8 profiles to choose from. Iv'e been in this hobby on and off for over 25 yrs.
09-21-2010 | 06:09 PM
#26
For crying out loud. Any and every brand is going to have duds. Stop crying about it and switch companies if you are not having luck with one. Don't give us your sob story about how you always hook your connecters backwards or fail solder so the motor leads touch and you smoke equipment.
Honestly, if you have enough $$ to go through that many escs maybe you can figure it out. Then again having money doesn't make you intelligent.
Honestly, if you have enough $$ to go through that many escs maybe you can figure it out. Then again having money doesn't make you intelligent.
09-21-2010 | 07:01 PM
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For crying out loud. Any and every brand is going to have duds. Stop crying about it and switch companies if you are not having luck with one. Don't give us your sob story about how you always hook your connecters backwards or fail solder so the motor leads touch and you smoke equipment.
Honestly, if you have enough $$ to go through that many escs maybe you can figure it out. Then again having money doesn't make you intelligent.
Honestly, if you have enough $$ to go through that many escs maybe you can figure it out. Then again having money doesn't make you intelligent.
10,000 units shipped with a 1% failure means 100 bad units may have made it to the marketplace. Sucks when you get 5 of them in a row. Which, BTW, is statistically impossible.
Check something else in your setup. Something's not right.
09-22-2010 | 02:58 AM
#28
For crying out loud. Any and every brand is going to have duds. Stop crying about it and switch companies if you are not having luck with one. Don't give us your sob story about how you always hook your connecters backwards or fail solder so the motor leads touch and you smoke equipment.
Honestly, if you have enough $$ to go through that many escs maybe you can figure it out. Then again having money doesn't make you intelligent.
Honestly, if you have enough $$ to go through that many escs maybe you can figure it out. Then again having money doesn't make you intelligent.
Well If u don't believe me, then your just wasting your time here.
Happy Trolling
It just shows you didn't completely read my post
09-22-2010 | 05:49 AM
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I believe you. I have seen quite a few GTB's bite the dust for no reason.
Also seen the Havoc Pro Bite it after not being able to gear it low enough for it not to run hot in a slash. That was a 17.5 combo.
Stick to Tekin ESC or Speed passion/Hobby Wing. Even if the Novak's last, the are by far the slowest ESC on the track. Unless you spill out the $200 plus for the kinetic esc.
EDIT: Also have you ever noticed that the only other company that gets threads like this started about them, is Castle.
Novak and Castle seem to have some real problems......
Also seen the Havoc Pro Bite it after not being able to gear it low enough for it not to run hot in a slash. That was a 17.5 combo.
Stick to Tekin ESC or Speed passion/Hobby Wing. Even if the Novak's last, the are by far the slowest ESC on the track. Unless you spill out the $200 plus for the kinetic esc.
EDIT: Also have you ever noticed that the only other company that gets threads like this started about them, is Castle.
Novak and Castle seem to have some real problems......
09-22-2010 | 05:53 AM
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1ST ESC WAS MY NOVAK SYLDR. ITS DEAD NOW BECAUSE I ACCIDENTALLY SHORT CIRCUIT IT IN REVERSE, SO THATS OK BECAUSE MY FAULT.
2ND ESC WAS THE NOVAK HAVOC PRO. IT HAD CUT OFF PROBLEMS AT FIRST. THEN AFTER ALMOST A WEEK LATER, IT BURNT FOR NO REASON AT ALL!
3RD ESC WAS AGAIN THE NOVAK HAVOC PRO. HAD NO PROBLEMS TILL ONE DAY IT TOO BURNT FOR NO REASON AT ALL
THE LAST THREE WERE BOUGHT FORM NOVAK USA AND WERE JUST USED TODAY
4TH IS THE NOVAK GTB I RECENTLY BOUGHT AND RESERVED ON 14 SEP 2010. TODAY I JUST INSTALLED THE ESC ON MY BUGGY. AND THE ESC DID NOT RESPOND TO ANYTHING AT ALL. IT DIDN'T EVEN LIGHT UP.
5TH ESC IS THE NOVAK SLYDR WHICH I BOUGHT FOR MY FRIEND IT WORKS FINE. JUST THE THE FACT THAT THE FAN NEVER WORKED AT ALL.
2ND ESC WAS THE NOVAK HAVOC PRO. IT HAD CUT OFF PROBLEMS AT FIRST. THEN AFTER ALMOST A WEEK LATER, IT BURNT FOR NO REASON AT ALL!
3RD ESC WAS AGAIN THE NOVAK HAVOC PRO. HAD NO PROBLEMS TILL ONE DAY IT TOO BURNT FOR NO REASON AT ALL
THE LAST THREE WERE BOUGHT FORM NOVAK USA AND WERE JUST USED TODAY
4TH IS THE NOVAK GTB I RECENTLY BOUGHT AND RESERVED ON 14 SEP 2010. TODAY I JUST INSTALLED THE ESC ON MY BUGGY. AND THE ESC DID NOT RESPOND TO ANYTHING AT ALL. IT DIDN'T EVEN LIGHT UP.
5TH ESC IS THE NOVAK SLYDR WHICH I BOUGHT FOR MY FRIEND IT WORKS FINE. JUST THE THE FACT THAT THE FAN NEVER WORKED AT ALL.
Again, toss money at the problem, or figure out what the problem is. Your choice.