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aaron125 03-18-2012 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by Losiho (Post 10484796)
SHR mode does make a difference. Well, at least I can notice it. With min. drive set to 6% on my Hobbywing 120 V2.1, throttle response is instantaneous

Well, you must be the first person on the planet to ever notice any difference when using the SHR mode.:eek:

Please list your exact servo/RX brand and model as I am very interested to know on what servo you noticed the difference. In what way did you notice a difference? Did you run the car/servo without SHR and then turn SHR on and try it again? If so, what exactly was the difference you mention?:confused:

If, on the other hand, you're referring to your Hobbywing ESC, unfortunately, SHR has no effect whatsoever.:nod::nod: It is only compatible with Airtronics/Sanwa servos, so how exactly you could have noticed anything at all on your ESC is beyond me.:weird: And since you don't even mention any servo, I'm guessing you mean that you thought you noticed some kind of improvement with your ESC. Which, as mentioned, isn't really possible, at least it certainly shouldn't be possible.

Anyway, very interested to hear about your servo/RX setup and what quantifiable difference you have experienced.

Losiho 03-18-2012 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by aaron125 (Post 10485258)
It is only compatible with Airtronics/Sanwa servos,

I think you have your Sanwa modes mixed up mate.

I said SHR mode, not SSR mode, which is what I think you're talking about. Apparently, yes, SSR mode is only compatible with the new generation of Sanwa SRG digital servos.

The compatibility chart is here - but I guess you've seen this before -
http://www.sanwa-denshi.com/rc/commo...sc_conform.pdf

Second - I'm using the Airtronics 92744 rx (Sanwa 451), NOT the 451R, so I can't use SSR mode even if I tried. I didn't see the point in buying the 451R rx.

Third - my steering servo is a Savox 1251 digital servo. What I meant in my post is that I noticed the increased sensitivity around the neutral area of servo throw, I didn't mean it increased servo speed from 0.9 seconds/60 degrees to say, 0.5 seconds.

Forth - there is a lot of bs around on the 'net on what works and what is compatible and what isn't. Someone here mentioned in another thread that apparently Sanwa's DSSS system is compatible with their FHSS-2 system. On the weekend I tried it by borrowing a mate's FHSS-2 rx and binding it with my Sanwa 221DS module in my M11 - and guess what, it doesn't work (at least on my radio and module). Also confirmed in this compatibility chart -
http://www.sanwa-denshi.com/rc/commo...rx_conform.pdf

Fifth - I've been in the hobby for 26 years, been racing for 18 years, and as you can see from my sig file, in that time I've had a few cars and radio systems. Try setting your radio response mode (any radio) to digital / high response with analogue servos and see how far you get.

I'm not sure if your post attempted to get a rise out of me, but I'm afraid it did. If I'm mistaken, and perhaps I didn't explain myself properly in my post, I apologise.

sidecarphil1 03-18-2012 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by Losiho (Post 10485818)
I think you have your Sanwa modes mixed up mate.

I said SHR mode, not SSR mode, which is what I think you're talking about. Apparently, yes, SSR mode is only compatible with the new generation of Sanwa SRG digital servos.

The compatibility chart is here - but I guess you've seen this before -
http://www.sanwa-denshi.com/rc/commo...sc_conform.pdf

Second - I'm using the Airtronics 92744 rx (Sanwa 451), NOT the 451R, so I can't use SSR mode even if I tried. I didn't see the point in buying the 451R rx.

Third - my steering servo is a Savox 1251 digital servo. What I meant in my post is that I noticed the increased sensitivity around the neutral area of servo throw, I didn't mean it increased servo speed from 0.9 seconds/60 degrees to say, 0.5 seconds.

Forth - there is a lot of bs around on the 'net on what works and what is compatible and what isn't. Someone here mentioned in another thread that apparently Sanwa's DSSS system is compatible with their FHSS-2 system. On the weekend I tried it by borrowing a mate's FHSS-2 rx and binding it with my Sanwa 221DS module in my M11 - and guess what, it doesn't work (at least on my radio and module). Also confirmed in this compatibility chart -
http://www.sanwa-denshi.com/rc/commo...rx_conform.pdf

Fifth - I've been in the hobby for 26 years, been racing for 18 years, and as you can see from my sig file, in that time I've had a few cars and radio systems. Try setting your radio response mode (any radio) to digital / high response with analogue servos and see how far you get.

I'm not sure if your post attempted to get a rise out of me, but I'm afraid it did. If I'm mistaken, and perhaps I didn't explain myself properly in my post, I apologise.

WOW all that from 1 small post ;);)

it was maybe just a missunderstanding

Losiho 03-19-2012 01:12 AM


Originally Posted by sidecarphil1 (Post 10485906)
WOW all that from 1 small post ;);)

it was maybe just a missunderstanding

I'm having a bad day. How did you guess ? ;)

Aaron, as I said in my last sentence, if I missunderstood you, my apologies.

Benzaah 03-19-2012 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by Losiho (Post 10485818)
I'm not sure if your post attempted to get a rise out of me, but I'm afraid it did. If I'm mistaken, and perhaps I didn't explain myself properly in my post, I apologise.

Aaron is just a know it all douchebag who has not life other than this his 'Fans' in this thread :lol::lol::lol:

aaron125 03-19-2012 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by Benzaah (Post 10486481)
Aaron is just a know it all douchebag who has not life other than this his 'Fans' in this thread :lol::lol::lol:

I take every complement I can get. Bring em on!

It's always refreshing to find some of the morons who troll these threads. Tell me Benny boy, do you even know what a douche is or what it's used for? I would LOVE to be one!! I guess you're an enemabag, but at least I know which side to go in. Dunno why you would think what you do or say what you do, but that's all good, I'm a big boy and if that sort of thing makes you feel tough or like a big man, go ahead. Just let your shrink know to send your payments my way as he obviously isn't doing his job too well if you need to talk shit about me to get your rocks off.:nod: I've never heard of or met you so how you know me so well is a bit of a mystery, perhaps you'd care to explain? Or are you just trying to proove to the world that most Aussies are a bunch of filthy-mouthed, no-hoping, woman-bashing losers who can't control themselves in-between drinks? If so, you're doing a stirling job there.

That's enough 12-year-old, schoolyard, potty-mouth crap for me for one day.

justchris 03-19-2012 07:02 AM

There is no need for this type of posting. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is way too much help and imformation on here
please dont spoil it...........................

Benzaah i take it you are talking about me
First the M11x is very expensive over here £350 pounds
no battery no servo's.
So i will take any help i can get.
People offer help for nothing and post in there own time
because they have a passion for this hobby.
They do this FREE and on a regular basis.
As has been said NOT all posts are good info.
But yours is just SHIT it helps no one
So piss off to another thread and annoy them

elex300 03-19-2012 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Losiho (Post 10485818)
I think you have your Sanwa modes mixed up mate.

I said SHR mode, not SSR mode, which is what I think you're talking about. Apparently, yes, SSR mode is only compatible with the new generation of Sanwa SRG digital servos.

The compatibility chart is here - but I guess you've seen this before -
http://www.sanwa-denshi.com/rc/commo...sc_conform.pdf

Second - I'm using the Airtronics 92744 rx (Sanwa 451), NOT the 451R, so I can't use SSR mode even if I tried. I didn't see the point in buying the 451R rx.

Third - my steering servo is a Savox 1251 digital servo. What I meant in my post is that I noticed the increased sensitivity around the neutral area of servo throw, I didn't mean it increased servo speed from 0.9 seconds/60 degrees to say, 0.5 seconds.

Forth - there is a lot of bs around on the 'net on what works and what is compatible and what isn't. Someone here mentioned in another thread that apparently Sanwa's DSSS system is compatible with their FHSS-2 system. On the weekend I tried it by borrowing a mate's FHSS-2 rx and binding it with my Sanwa 221DS module in my M11 - and guess what, it doesn't work (at least on my radio and module). Also confirmed in this compatibility chart -
http://www.sanwa-denshi.com/rc/commo...rx_conform.pdf

Fifth - I've been in the hobby for 26 years, been racing for 18 years, and as you can see from my sig file, in that time I've had a few cars and radio systems. Try setting your radio response mode (any radio) to digital / high response with analogue servos and see how far you get.

I'm not sure if your post attempted to get a rise out of me, but I'm afraid it did. If I'm mistaken, and perhaps I didn't explain myself properly in my post, I apologise.

I saw a difference as well using Savox 1258's. Like most guys I did'nt read the manual except how to bind so I did'nt know about SHR. Once I switched the response was alot more sensitive for me at least.

justchris 03-19-2012 04:38 PM

Hi Elex 300
Iv'e been saving for the sanwa low profile servo below.

http://demonpowerproducts.co.uk/prod...l-servo-p-6607

Iv'e got to try it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But had a chat with arron 125 and i must admit at my level of racing
it might not make a blind bit of difference.
The M11x with the standard 451 is so fast.
But I GOT to see.
:):)

Franchise 03-19-2012 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by justchris (Post 10489106)
Hi Elex 300
Iv'e been saving for the sanwa low profile servo below.

http://demonpowerproducts.co.uk/prod...l-servo-p-6607
:):)

I dont understand the concept for the low profile servos.
What's the advantage?

They're really no different than any other servo unless it lighter.

I see sales gimmick written all over those things.
Am I wrong?

Losiho 03-19-2012 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by Franchise (Post 10490418)
I dont understand the concept for the low profile servos.
What's the advantage?

They're really no different than any other servo unless it lighter.

I see sales gimmick written all over those things.
Am I wrong?


On touring car chassis, especially forward mounted steering servos, it frees up space to mount your receiver & ESC. That wasn't a problem years ago, but the big a$$ capacitors on brushless ESCs these days seem to take up a lot of room.

On an off road chassis ? I wouldn't bother.

Nilks 03-20-2012 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by Franchise (Post 10490418)
I dont understand the concept for the low profile servos.
What's the advantage?

They're really no different than any other servo unless it lighter.

I see sales gimmick written all over those things.
Am I wrong?

In 1/10 electric touring car where weight, weight distribution, balance left/right, front/back, lightness and space are critical, they make perfect sense. But for everything else, I wouldn't bother.

Franchise 03-20-2012 09:02 PM

Well, I just join the m11x squad. My hobby shop was able to find one with the free receiver included. It was hard to believe since amain had them on back order.

I can't wait. I was going to get that new KO ex1 but once I factored in the price and the fact our race season is starting next week I chose the m11x. Plus, its a proven radio.

Blue Screw 03-21-2012 06:18 PM

Hey guys,

I have a quick question here maybe you can help me and my buddy figure it out. I have been a airtronics user since day one(caliber,m8,m11,m11x) so i really dont know to much about other radios.. But my good buddy is in the market for a radio. Right now he is using the spectrum but he up in arms and cant decide between the mt4 or the m11x.
Reason being from the listed features they both list there just about the same except the m11x has a little more bells and whisles like the backlight and timer..ext.. But for the price diff why would the 2 be comparable and the mt4 be almost 150 cheaper and have telmentory?

Please help me figure this out and justfy it so i can explain it to..

justchris 03-22-2012 12:32 PM

Hi Blue screw. I chose the 11x over other brands for the bells and whistles.

As you say, the 4 is cheaper and has telemetry with a very similar spec. I will try to give my reasons for choosing the 11x over the others.

My first mid-price radio was a Spectrum DX3. It came with 2 receivers and highly recommended. This turned out to be a waste of £170 as it was repaired twice and countless arguments, etc, with the LHS over the warranty. This put me off completely buying the DXR Pro. The Sanwa group of radios, stick and wheel, came highly recommended with a no-quibble warranty. This is what convinced me as this is my first top-end radio. As for the features, I thought with the extra things that are not necessary they would come in handy as I do run other models other than the 1/10th electric touring car. Some say it is a bit heavy, awkward and bulky. My personal opinion is it is not. I find it a nice weight and very comfortable to hold and use. I fitted a lipo and by using this thread and this manual, find it pretty easy to use (I did find the manual confusing but with help from here, things do make sense). All the above is just my opinion and I hope it helps.
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