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Old 01-09-2026 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by trilerian
Did it stall on the last part of the run? That part of the cycle is done in sensorless mode and is where the timing is measured. When it stalls it is a cogging issue, you can spin it and it will be fine.

Yes, that's where it is stalling. So you all think it's fine? The only time I ever see that is on low torque motors. I dont believe this is a low torque motor.
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Originally Posted by STLNLST
I have rotors in the 18’s that are are just as fast as anything else being run. The onroad track in Fresno is large, open, with sweepers. I’ve proved this in sedan and just recently in 12th scale at Lemo’s carpet track. Both vehicles had 21.5 motors. With the higher torque motors I can’t stress enough of low can timing and gearing up to get the top end back. I can almost assure you that the V6 you currently have is just as fast as every V6 I’ve played with when timed and geared correctly.

You are correct. i have seen the samw when using rotors that motor was designed for. I used a 1900 rotor, and it got hot. I had to time it way down. However, I still couldn't get it to go as fast as a low 1700 rotor without getting too hot. That was tested on a buddies on road car in a parking lot. Ot was a rotor for a mod motor.
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Old 01-09-2026 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
Have you tested it on track? The one I've seen is pretty quick.
It looks like a fast motor. The stalling scares me. I don't test the motors on tracks. I dont have one near by.

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Old 01-09-2026 | 03:51 PM
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Yes, that's where it is stalling. So you all think it's fine? The only time I ever see that is on low torque motors. I dont believe this is a low torque motor.
It is just fine. This is the sensorless mode not knowing where the rotor postion is, less load can help it, but it isn't about the motor performance here. I've seen it a lot on 13.5 motors, you'll notice that there is no issue when running in the manual mode. The first time I saw it, I made the same conlcusion, bad motor, lol. But that isn't the case. After that I assumed it was an overcurrent issue during the run, but that isn't the case either... I ended up putting it on my scope and looking at the different runs and came to my conclusion that it is in sensorless mode the last part of the autorun. And like I said, that is where it measures the timing. May not make sense, but to me it makes perfect sense, lol.
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Originally Posted by OffRoadJunkie
You are correct. i have seen the samw when using rotors that motor was designed for. I used a 1900 rotor, and it got hot. I had to time it way down. However, I still couldn't get it to go as fast as a low 1700 rotor without getting too hot. That was tested on a buddies on road car in a parking lot. Ot was a rotor for a mod motor.
not the case in stock/spec. 1813 i believe one of my rotors is at and I’m never down on topend speed or worried about heat.
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Old 01-09-2026 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by trilerian
It is just fine. This is the sensorless mode not knowing where the rotor postion is, less load can help it, but it isn't about the motor performance here. I've seen it a lot on 13.5 motors, you'll notice that there is no issue when running in the manual mode. The first time I saw it, I made the same conlcusion, bad motor, lol. But that isn't the case. After that I assumed it was an overcurrent issue during the run, but that isn't the case either... I ended up putting it on my scope and looking at the different runs and came to my conclusion that it is in sensorless mode the last part of the autorun. And like I said, that is where it measures the timing. May not make sense, but to me it makes perfect sense, lol.
You're a lot more wise than I am, so I'll take your word for it.
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Is it just me or is darn near every non-Hobby wing motor out of stock....Exalt, Fantom, New Wave, Ron, etc. I get that there are some large races happening now but damn.....
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Is it just me or is darn near every non-Hobby wing motor out of stock....Exalt, Fantom, New Wave, Ron, etc. I get that there are some large races happening now but damn.....

I've noticed quite a few motors are hard to find in stock. My thought is, due to the new ROAR motor rules, the manufacturers are coming out with new motor designs. The current motors are still allowed for another year.
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I am working a bit with one the new motors in pre production testing specificically 17.5. It is tough. The new build standards are making it hard to beat exsiting motors and that is why you don't see many new ones. My guess is that they are still in development.
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Originally Posted by old_dude
I am working a bit with one the new motors in pre production testing specificically 17.5. It is tough. The new build standards are making it hard to beat exsiting motors and that is why you don't see many new ones. My guess is that they are still in development.

I believe the new motors will run much hotter, due to not having epoxy on the windings. I'm going to start running the full tests, on the new Team Powers V6S, over the next couple of days. I'm really anxious to see how well it performs over the V5S.
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Old 01-13-2026 | 06:48 PM
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I see on the Surpass hobby website that there's a V6-S motor: 540 V6-S - Shenzhen Surpass Tech Co., Ltd

I wonder what hs changed over the V6 and V6M motors.
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Originally Posted by OffRoadJunkie
I believe the new motors will run much hotter, due to not having epoxy on the windings. I'm going to start running the full tests, on the new Team Powers V6S, over the next couple of days. I'm really anxious to see how well it performs over the V5S.
I wouldn't say "much" hotter, the epoxy doesn't make that much difference.
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Old 01-14-2026 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
I wouldn't say "much" hotter, the epoxy doesn't make that much difference.

This is true. I guess it depends on who judging it. I have heard guys tell me they were a lot hotter, but they were only the motor, they tested, was only about 8 degrees hotter than the epoxy motor.
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I'm late to the party on the motor changes.......can someone help out with a link to the changes?
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Originally Posted by River19
I'm late to the party on the motor changes.......can someone help out with a link to the changes?
No thermal epoxy and lower IR. Basically using IFMAR specifications.
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