Project: Break in Dutch machine
#166
Why are you trying to control the temperature of the thermocouple? A thermocouple is a measuring device made up of 2 dissimilar metals used to measure temperature. The 2 wires are welded together and when a change of temperature occurs it creates a voltage that is then measured and depending upon the types of metals used you can then compare that voltage to a known standard and determine the voltage.
#167
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From: Oxnard, CA
#169
I did, it does heat up the sleeve directly. When it shows 80 degrees I am pretty sure the sleeve is also close to the 80 degrees.
The EBIS just has 2 heaters hanging in the oil with the temp sensor of the heater nearby. That is important because the heating is slow and if the temp senso is too far away from the sensors it will become very hot arround the heaters with the chance of burning the oil.
But that is why the EBIS has a 2nd temperature reader, that will read the oil on the other side of the bath which will give a right indication to start the electric motor.
I have some material to make 2 new ones, I think I will mount the heaters and the temp sensor on the frame holding the motors.
The EBIS just has 2 heaters hanging in the oil with the temp sensor of the heater nearby. That is important because the heating is slow and if the temp senso is too far away from the sensors it will become very hot arround the heaters with the chance of burning the oil.
But that is why the EBIS has a 2nd temperature reader, that will read the oil on the other side of the bath which will give a right indication to start the electric motor.
I have some material to make 2 new ones, I think I will mount the heaters and the temp sensor on the frame holding the motors.
#172
You can do whatever you want, the only thing you have to take care of is that the temperature sensor of the heat controler can not be placed to far from the heaters if you just let it hang in the oil. These cartridge heaters can heat up to very high temperatures in a few seconds, if the sensor is not nearby to directly sense the heat from the heaters oil will burn.
I did mount the heaters and the sensor on a head that is placed on the sleeve. It is the fastest and the most constant way to heat the sleeve
I did mount the heaters and the sensor on a head that is placed on the sleeve. It is the fastest and the most constant way to heat the sleeve
#174
Yes there are. No aquarium but enough to find for hot fluids but there is no need to.....
By te way, an aquarium pump will work if you just pump air into the bath from out of a corner. The fluid will float arround.
Most simple thing is using a simple plate of aluminium or a bit niicer an old flat Pentium or 486 heatsink, mount the heaters and sensor on it and hang it in the bath. If you do that, besure the sleeve will stay put, one headbolt with a spacer is enough.
By te way, an aquarium pump will work if you just pump air into the bath from out of a corner. The fluid will float arround.
Most simple thing is using a simple plate of aluminium or a bit niicer an old flat Pentium or 486 heatsink, mount the heaters and sensor on it and hang it in the bath. If you do that, besure the sleeve will stay put, one headbolt with a spacer is enough.
#177
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Wondering if there is one specific oil that is supposed to be used for ebis. I don’t know what drake is using but I heard just regular motor oil? One guy I talked to I think said he uses red motul? Another I heard uses 2 stroke oil. Also I have heard conflicting stories of what to do after ebis is done. One guy said 1 rich tank then race tune, another said almost still have to do a full break in afterwards just don’t have to take it easy on it. And what’s the right way to know how long each individual motor takes? Is there a measurement that is taken to make sure it’s done? I’m confused.
#178
EBIS is advising Putoline 959 which is a red oil. After some tests we have seen that basically any oil with a viscosity below 10 at 100 degrees C will work and yes, I use simple 0w20 motor oil as I believe most EBIS users do because the simple availabillity.
No full break in is needed, start with a rich setting as if you are over the half of a normal break in. And then with a 2 up to 5 tanks you can finish the break in. With most engines not more than 3 tanks is needed.
No full break in is needed, start with a rich setting as if you are over the half of a normal break in. And then with a 2 up to 5 tanks you can finish the break in. With most engines not more than 3 tanks is needed.
#180
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EBIS is advising Putoline 959 which is a red oil. After some tests we have seen that basically any oil with a viscosity below 10 at 100 degrees C will work and yes, I use simple 0w20 motor oil as I believe most EBIS users do because the simple availabillity.
No full break in is needed, start with a rich setting as if you are over the half of a normal break in. And then with a 2 up to 5 tanks you can finish the break in. With most engines not more than 3 tanks is needed.
No full break in is needed, start with a rich setting as if you are over the half of a normal break in. And then with a 2 up to 5 tanks you can finish the break in. With most engines not more than 3 tanks is needed.



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