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kyosho malaysia 02-26-2014 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by HHH (Post 13044582)
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still got some area not yet mod

DS Motorsport 02-26-2014 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by HHH (Post 13044520)
I did not think it is possible to make a better .12 than the 2013 spec GT3C, but if "bling" is anything to go by, this new RS3 will be.

I am amazed at the amount of work MH has put into this engine.

This RS3 is supposed to spool up faster and rev higher.

Looks awesome, like all Orcan engines.

HHH 02-26-2014 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by kyosho malaysia (Post 13045160)
still got some area not yet mod

True, there is no "cave" carved out left to right like on some egnines. Any idea why some do carve out a cave and others don't?

Of course, there is more space/volume in the case for fuel/air mixture, but that still does not answer why some do and some don't make a cave/enlargerd chamber.

In my oberservation the following modify this area to the maxiumum: Max Power, Capricorn and Mag

And the following do not: MH, Murnan, JP, IDM mods, Nova tuned, OS tuned. These guys do carve out/grind/polish the existing channels like in pic 14, but they do not carve out the whole chamber area left to right.

Fuel consupmtion could be one reason, max or optimum scavenging could be another -- but anyone got an more substantial ideas why some do and some don't do this? Lets hear them!

kyosho malaysia 02-27-2014 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by HHH (Post 13046197)
True, there is no "cave" carved out left to right like on some egnines. Any idea why some do carve out a cave and others don't?

Of course, there is more space/volume in the case for fuel/air mixture, but that still does not answer why some do and some don't make a cave/enlargerd chamber.

In my oberservation the following modify this area to the maxiumum: Max Power, Capricorn and Mag

And the following do not: MH, Murnan, JP, IDM mods, Nova tuned, OS tuned. These guys do carve out/grind/polish the existing channels like in pic 14, but they do not carve out the whole chamber area left to right.

Fuel consupmtion could be one reason, max or optimum scavenging could be another -- but anyone got an more substantial ideas why some do and some don't do this? Lets hear them!

turbo button,piston,crankcase inlet still can do some mod

Roelof 02-27-2014 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by kyosho malaysia (Post 13048318)
turbo button,piston,crankcase inlet still can do some mod

But how much is the gain?

kyosho malaysia 03-02-2014 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 13048701)
But how much is the gain?

smoother from mid to high and engine don't sound struggle

sammies 03-26-2014 07:23 AM

.21 RS7
 
According to the write-up, ORCAN's new .21 RS7 is tuned for 16% fuel.

The engine comes with 0.4mm head shims.

If I were to run this engine on 25% fuel, do I need to increase the shims? If so, by how much?

Thanks in advance.

Sam

HHH 03-27-2014 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by sammies (Post 13131640)
According to the write-up, ORCAN's new .21 RS7 is tuned for 16% fuel.

The engine comes with 0.4mm head shims.

If I were to run this engine on 25% fuel, do I need to increase the shims? If so, by how much?

Thanks in advance.

Sam

Hi Sammies,

I asked the guy behind ORCAN and this is his reply

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The RS7 is with 0.40 shims perfect for 25% nitro at sea level and also for 16% by 300m above sea level.

If they drive with 16% at sea level they can drive so, or can put 0.05 shim out maximum 0.10 so they have with 16% nearly the same power as with 25%

Roelof 03-27-2014 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by HHH (Post 13135892)
The RS7 is with 0.40 shims perfect for 25% nitro at sea level and also for 16% by 300m above sea level.

If they drive with 16% at sea level they can drive so, or can put 0.05 shim out maximum 0.10 so they have with 16% nearly the same power as with 25%

Hmmm...... something looks wrong to me....

Normally the higher from sea level the lower the head clearance or the more nitro you have to run. Your answer is telling otherwise......

HHH 03-28-2014 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 13136906)
Hmmm...... something looks wrong to me....

Normally the higher from sea level the lower the head clearance or the more nitro you have to run. Your answer is telling otherwise......

Interesting point Roelof. Thanks for sharing.

I will check.

"Put out" is not clear (add or remove) perhaps due to translation.

djiewie 03-28-2014 02:01 PM

getting the same power like 25% nitro running 16% is to remove shims and getting more compression. The bang with 25% is better then with 16%.
Thats is what i understand from h answer. remove 0.05 shim to max 0,1 shim.

Rebellion 04-09-2014 04:46 AM

HHH I have a question:

I think you had a GT3 C MH Orcan not?
What is the difference in performance compared to Orcan Orcan RS3 with GT3 C MH?

HHH 04-09-2014 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Rebellion (Post 13170167)
HHH I have a question:

I think you had a GT3 C MH Orcan not?
What is the difference in performance compared to Orcan Orcan RS3 with GT3 C MH?

The RS3 has more power and revs higher. I only have one liter through after break-in and race tune, but initial observations are that there is much more low end (I have to be very gentle out of corners), similar or a little less mid and then tons more top end. The RS3 is uses more fuel but is easier to tune and idles better than the GT3C.

The revs are so much higher can gear lower and ORCAN recommends changing the conrod and wrist pin after 3 liters on large tracks and 5 liters on small tracks! The engine uses the 7601 rod which has never been a long life rod.

Even though I am notoriously greedy when it comes to power the RS3 could have too much power and torque for some people. I am tempted to say it is too powerful for my taste, but I am still experimenting with ways to get more traction/less wheel spin and tuning the engine to make it more mellow.

You should try for yourself as the RS3 is a beast!! I need more time to say for sure. I love the GT3C and it has really served me well. I need more time to either get used to or figure how to better handle the RS3. My buddies are going to give it a try soon and we will see what their reaction is.

kyosho malaysia 04-09-2014 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by HHH (Post 13170299)
The RS3 has more power and revs higher. I only have one liter through after break-in and race tune, but initial observations are that there is much more low end (I have to be very gentle out of corners), similar or a little less mid and then tons more top end. The RS3 is uses more fuel but is easier to tune and idles better than the GT3C.

The revs are so much higher can gear lower and ORCAN recommends changing the conrod and wrist pin after 3 liters on large tracks and 5 liters on small tracks! The engine uses the 7601 rod which has never been a long life rod.

Even though I am notoriously greedy when it comes to power the RS3 could have too much power and torque for some people. I am tempted to say it is too powerful for my taste, but I am still experimenting with ways to get more traction/less wheel spin and tuning the engine to make it more mellow.

You should try for yourself as the RS3 is a beast!! I need more time to say for sure. I love the GT3C and it has really served me well. I need more time to either get used to or figure how to better handle the RS3. My buddies are going to give it a try soon and we will see what their reaction is.

the rod are compatible with flash PT(N2) and more reliable

GREGORY! 04-09-2014 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by kyosho malaysia (Post 13170710)
the rod are compatible with flash PT(N2) and more reliable

the 7604 rod is 'fatter' at the lower end and the clearance between crankcase and rod is very small.
so you risk to hit the rod in the case at high rpm.

HHH 04-09-2014 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by kyosho malaysia (Post 13170710)
the rod are compatible with flash PT(N2) and more reliable

I was told the N2 (7604) does not fit or work, but I have not tried it.

kyosho malaysia 04-10-2014 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by HHH (Post 13171913)
I was told the N2 (7604) does not fit or work, but I have not tried it.

i had tried in my nova 3ST,it's work well.maybe you need to do some measuring since this engine is nova LL3 based

Arahawak 04-10-2014 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by kyosho malaysia (Post 13173081)
i had tried in my nova 3ST,it's work well.maybe you need to do some measuring since this engine is nova LL3 based

I am curious if you have ran the Orcan RS3 and if you have tried the 7604 (N2) rod in the Orcan RS3.

kyosho malaysia 04-10-2014 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Arahawak (Post 13173427)
I am curious if you have ran the Orcan RS3 and if you have tried the 7604 (N2) rod in the Orcan RS3.

i never own any ORCAN engine:nod:

HHH 04-10-2014 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by kyosho malaysia (Post 13173081)
i had tried in my nova 3ST,it's work well.maybe you need to do some measuring since this engine is nova LL3 based

Thanks for sharing. I thought the ORCAN was LL3 based, but compared to the max and nova LL3 I came across it is not. I found out it is based on the Rex LR3, an older model that is not very well known. Engine case is squarish, not rounded by the carb like the LL3.

You are right that the LL3 can fit the 7604 rod. LR3 according to ORCAN cannot.

Arahawak 04-10-2014 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by HHH (Post 13175058)
Thanks for sharing. I thought the ORCAN was LL3 based, but compared to the max and nova LL3 I came across it is not. I found out it is based on the Rex LR3, an older model that is not very well known. Engine case is squarish, not rounded by the carb like the LL3.

You are right that the LL3 can fit the 7604 rod. LR3 according to ORCAN cannot.

Thanks for sharing, least i know you are using an Orcan.

DS Motorsport 04-12-2014 04:22 AM

It's really important to check the conrod reguraly on the Orcan engines!.
These little engines are tuned and modified to the edge and the conrod endures loads which it never has been designed for.

I forgot to replace mine after 5 liters and this is what happened during the ENS last weekend:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4-05183208.jpg

It was crazy fast though, hitting 110km/h every lap. :D

GREGORY! 04-12-2014 06:30 AM

Can be rebuilded?



Originally Posted by DS Motorsport (Post 13178327)
It's really important to check the conrod reguraly on the Orcan engines!.
These little engines are tuned and modified to the edge and the conrod endures loads which it never has been designed for.

I forgot to replace mine after 5 liters and this is what happened during the ENS last weekend:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4-05183208.jpg

It was crazy fast though, hitting 110km/h every lap. :D


DS Motorsport 04-12-2014 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by GREGORY! (Post 13178482)
Can be rebuilded?

Unfortunately not, the conrod went through the crankcase and through the side of the piston and sleeve. :cry:
It's a real shame, don't think I will ever get a motor as fast as this one was.

djiewie 04-18-2014 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by DS Motorsport (Post 13179251)
Unfortunately not, the conrod went through the crankcase and through the side of the piston and sleeve. :cry:
It's a real shame, don't think I will ever get a motor as fast as this one was.

Daan, the cranck looks bone dry, maybe try to put some oil with the methanol the next time. will cost you some speed but will last longer.

:D:D:D:D:D:D

SOLOARTIST 702 08-09-2014 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by HHH (Post 13044524)
RS3

is that piston lightened i can't tell from the pic i may get one of those too

SOLOARTIST 702 08-09-2014 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by HHH (Post 13175058)
Thanks for sharing. I thought the ORCAN was LL3 based, but compared to the max and nova LL3 I came across it is not. I found out it is based on the Rex LR3, an older model that is not very well known. Engine case is squarish, not rounded by the carb like the LL3.

You are right that the LL3 can fit the 7604 rod. LR3 according to ORCAN cannot.

funny when i got my orcan i noticed it was LR3 based & i happened to have a new LR3 in my rc stock coincidence nice

mrgsr 08-09-2016 01:20 PM

Hi Guys is there a difference between the cesare Rossi edition that comes with pipe shirt bag etc vs the rs3CR?

RC-Netshop.dk 10-06-2016 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by mrgsr (Post 14629875)
Hi Guys is there a difference between the cesare Rossi edition that comes with pipe shirt bag etc vs the rs3CR?

Yes, engines are not the same.... The RS3CR without bag/pipe are not MH tuned... The RS3MH CR is :-)....

http://rc-netshop.dk/en/nitro-engine...st-system.html

http://rc-netshop.dk/en/nitro-engine...n-rs3-cr-.html


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