Novarossi engines thread
#1021
Originally Posted by THE DOCTOR
I have a x12 and I am looking for a better pipe then the RD logics Turbo 2. I think that I need more top end. Any one with some thoughts on a Novarossi based pipe??
Long body = torque
Good Luck bro.
#1025
I think the head button off a Mugen MT12 (NovaRossi XN12 based engine) will fit into the sleeve of the rb X12 (NovaRossi RS12 based engine) due to the 2 engines having the same bore (13.80mm) but will not give the correct head clearance.
just try it and check the head clearence with a bit of solder down the plug hole.
just try it and check the head clearence with a bit of solder down the plug hole.
#1026
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 2,527
From: Harwood, MD
It is not the RB it is the Mugen X12. If there is a differance. The engine sheet that came with the engine shows the turbo button part #NOV28605 and the standard button #NOV28604. Anyway to find out if this is the same one as the MT12?? The sheet also shows a bore of 13.8mm.
#1027
Originally Posted by THE DOCTOR
It is not the RB it is the Mugen X12. If there is a differance. The engine sheet that came with the engine shows the turbo button part #NOV28605 and the standard button #NOV28604. Anyway to find out if this is the same one as the MT12?? The sheet also shows a bore of 13.8mm.
Problem with MT12 head button is that it is thinner than all other Nova based head buttons, and the cooling head will hit cylinder crankcase before proper sealing torque is applied to head button.
AFM
#1028
Ah that X12, I should have twigged when you mentioned the grey head.
in that case your after an NS12 head button then.
all I know is the MT12 is a long rod engine so the combustion chamber lip doesnt sink as deep into the sleeve compared to the short rod NovaRossi engine like the RS12, NS12, X12, and so on. like I said b4 the bore is the same so it will fit in the sleeve but head clearance will be diff.
why cant you just measure and see if there is any difference? that will satisfy you for sure.
in that case your after an NS12 head button then.
all I know is the MT12 is a long rod engine so the combustion chamber lip doesnt sink as deep into the sleeve compared to the short rod NovaRossi engine like the RS12, NS12, X12, and so on. like I said b4 the bore is the same so it will fit in the sleeve but head clearance will be diff.
why cant you just measure and see if there is any difference? that will satisfy you for sure.
#1029
[QUOTE=Hesky]........all I know is the MT12 is a long rod engine so the combustion chamber lip doesnt sink as deep into the sleeve compared to the short rod NovaRossi engine like the RS12, NS12, X12, and so on. like I said b4 the bore is the same so it will fit in the sleeve but head clearance will be diff......
QUOTE]
Because the MT12 is a long rod engine it's the sleeve that sits higher on the crankcase so the head button is thinner in able for the cooling head to sit properly. The head button will fit and and the clearance is the same as all Nova head buttons...compression will be the same...I've done it many times with different Nova based engines and also with STS engines...but you have to shave material off the bottom of the cooling head so the head button sets flush on it or the cooling head will hit the crankcase.
AFM
QUOTE]
Because the MT12 is a long rod engine it's the sleeve that sits higher on the crankcase so the head button is thinner in able for the cooling head to sit properly. The head button will fit and and the clearance is the same as all Nova head buttons...compression will be the same...I've done it many times with different Nova based engines and also with STS engines...but you have to shave material off the bottom of the cooling head so the head button sets flush on it or the cooling head will hit the crankcase.
AFM
#1032
Tech Rookie
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 6
Hello Guys,
I write because I dont know what to do and may be some one can help me. I have a Top TS12S engine, and have run aproximatly 1.5 gallons of 20% fuel trough it. Over this time I have used two glowplugs (Novarossi 6Tc) , and everything worked great, good reliability and performance, but the when I changed the glowplug to a new one, everything went crazy.
It runs perfectly for the first time but when I turn the engine off and let it cool and try to start it again it starts ok but us soon as I take the glowplug heater off the glowplug it shuts off, and after I try to start it a few times more 4 or 5 the glow plug gets damaged. This has happenened with 3 new glowplugs.
Someone in my track said the engine has too much compression, but then why did it worked fine with the previous plugs?
If anyone has any idea what could be wrong please let me know, Im getting a little frustraded...
Tks
I write because I dont know what to do and may be some one can help me. I have a Top TS12S engine, and have run aproximatly 1.5 gallons of 20% fuel trough it. Over this time I have used two glowplugs (Novarossi 6Tc) , and everything worked great, good reliability and performance, but the when I changed the glowplug to a new one, everything went crazy.
It runs perfectly for the first time but when I turn the engine off and let it cool and try to start it again it starts ok but us soon as I take the glowplug heater off the glowplug it shuts off, and after I try to start it a few times more 4 or 5 the glow plug gets damaged. This has happenened with 3 new glowplugs.
Someone in my track said the engine has too much compression, but then why did it worked fine with the previous plugs?
If anyone has any idea what could be wrong please let me know, Im getting a little frustraded...
Tks
#1033
Tech Rookie
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 6
One correction
My engine is TS12S5 TKs
My engine is TS12S5 TKs
Originally Posted by morenoi79
Hello Guys,
I write because I dont know what to do and may be some one can help me. I have a Top TS12S engine, and have run aproximatly 1.5 gallons of 20% fuel trough it. Over this time I have used two glowplugs (Novarossi 6Tc) , and everything worked great, good reliability and performance, but the when I changed the glowplug to a new one, everything went crazy.
It runs perfectly for the first time but when I turn the engine off and let it cool and try to start it again it starts ok but us soon as I take the glowplug heater off the glowplug it shuts off, and after I try to start it a few times more 4 or 5 the glow plug gets damaged. This has happenened with 3 new glowplugs.
Someone in my track said the engine has too much compression, but then why did it worked fine with the previous plugs?
If anyone has any idea what could be wrong please let me know, Im getting a little frustraded...
Tks
I write because I dont know what to do and may be some one can help me. I have a Top TS12S engine, and have run aproximatly 1.5 gallons of 20% fuel trough it. Over this time I have used two glowplugs (Novarossi 6Tc) , and everything worked great, good reliability and performance, but the when I changed the glowplug to a new one, everything went crazy.
It runs perfectly for the first time but when I turn the engine off and let it cool and try to start it again it starts ok but us soon as I take the glowplug heater off the glowplug it shuts off, and after I try to start it a few times more 4 or 5 the glow plug gets damaged. This has happenened with 3 new glowplugs.
Someone in my track said the engine has too much compression, but then why did it worked fine with the previous plugs?
If anyone has any idea what could be wrong please let me know, Im getting a little frustraded...
Tks

#1035
nova's r a bit temperemantel....even the change of a plug sometimes require tuning back....start again with the basic and fine tune from there....if stiill cannot, check everything back...good luck...



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