Novarossi engines thread
#1831
Originally Posted by ziggy12345
EFRA has now changed to be inline with IFMAR and so the dutch regs are NOT inline with EFRA. They are the same as the BRCA except we allow the CRF
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held, so the regulations will change, as you could read in my previous message, I was talking about the old regulations.....
#1834
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 4,166
From: Henderson, NV
Originally Posted by ziggy12345
I thought the NS12 S3 was a short stroke engine
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Corey: I know what Uriah says about the timing. I believe what Mugen and Novarossi say. They say the engines are the same. I had both and they ran the same for me. Either way, the NS12S3 is a good engine.
#1835
Originally Posted by afm
ABOUT TURBO GLOW PLUGS
Turbo Glow Plugs where designed to give more performance to an engine, for the following reasons:
·It forms an uninterrupted combustion chamber.
·The advantage of better heat transfer or heat dissipation, and a leak proof seal, generated by the conical seat of the plug.
·Greater choice of thermal ranges, that allow for more precise tuning according to variations in weather conditions (temperature, humidity, altitude, barometric pressure, etc.).
The numbers and characters on the plugs, are the product number, wire thickness, and thermal range of the plugs body. Example: The Novarossi C6TG (F) or (C)
§ Product: C (Conical)
§ Wire Thickness: 6
§ Plug Type: T (Turbo)
§ Plated: G (Gold)
§ Thermal Range: F (Fredda = Cold) C (Calda = Hot)
The plugs with cold thermal range F (Fredda), have a body with thinner walls and shorter body, so they dissipate heat better and faster to the engine head. The plugs with hot thermal range C (Calda), have a body with thicker walls and longer body, so they dissipate heat better and faster to the engine head. The number of threads is the same on both types of plugs.
How to select the proper plug:
·When the ambient temperature is high, we have to use a plug with thicker wire.
·With higher compression, we have to use a plug with thicker wire.
·Humidity determines if we use a Cold (F) thermal range, or Hot (C) thermal range.
·With high humidity percentage we should use a Hot (C) thermal range plug.
·If we have high temperature and high humidity, we should use a plug with thick wire and a Hot(C) thermal range.
The best instrument to determine which Turbo Plug to use, is those table digital weather stations, that have Temperature, Humidity, and some also Barometric Pressure on them. That is the key to success or failure tuning engines with Turbo Glow Plugs, because they are so sensitive to weather variations that is unbelievable.
Following is a selection chart for Novarossi Turbo Glow Plugs
Type Thermal Range Nitro% Air Temp.C° Humidity
C5TGC Hot/hot wire 10-20 0-10 70-100
C6TGC Hot/average wire 10-20 10-16 70-100
C7TGC Hot/cold wire 20-30 16-25 70-100
C8TGC Hot/ultra cold wire 30-up 25-up 70-100
C5TGF Cold/hot wire 10-20 0-10 40-70
C6TGF Cold/average wire 10-20 10-15 40-70
C7TGF Cold/cold wire 20-30 16-25 40-70
C8TGF Cold/ultra cold wire30-up 25-up 40-70
Hope it helps
AFM
Turbo Glow Plugs where designed to give more performance to an engine, for the following reasons:
·It forms an uninterrupted combustion chamber.
·The advantage of better heat transfer or heat dissipation, and a leak proof seal, generated by the conical seat of the plug.
·Greater choice of thermal ranges, that allow for more precise tuning according to variations in weather conditions (temperature, humidity, altitude, barometric pressure, etc.).
The numbers and characters on the plugs, are the product number, wire thickness, and thermal range of the plugs body. Example: The Novarossi C6TG (F) or (C)
§ Product: C (Conical)
§ Wire Thickness: 6
§ Plug Type: T (Turbo)
§ Plated: G (Gold)
§ Thermal Range: F (Fredda = Cold) C (Calda = Hot)
The plugs with cold thermal range F (Fredda), have a body with thinner walls and shorter body, so they dissipate heat better and faster to the engine head. The plugs with hot thermal range C (Calda), have a body with thicker walls and longer body, so they dissipate heat better and faster to the engine head. The number of threads is the same on both types of plugs.
How to select the proper plug:
·When the ambient temperature is high, we have to use a plug with thicker wire.
·With higher compression, we have to use a plug with thicker wire.
·Humidity determines if we use a Cold (F) thermal range, or Hot (C) thermal range.
·With high humidity percentage we should use a Hot (C) thermal range plug.
·If we have high temperature and high humidity, we should use a plug with thick wire and a Hot(C) thermal range.
The best instrument to determine which Turbo Plug to use, is those table digital weather stations, that have Temperature, Humidity, and some also Barometric Pressure on them. That is the key to success or failure tuning engines with Turbo Glow Plugs, because they are so sensitive to weather variations that is unbelievable.
Following is a selection chart for Novarossi Turbo Glow Plugs
Type Thermal Range Nitro% Air Temp.C° Humidity
C5TGC Hot/hot wire 10-20 0-10 70-100
C6TGC Hot/average wire 10-20 10-16 70-100
C7TGC Hot/cold wire 20-30 16-25 70-100
C8TGC Hot/ultra cold wire 30-up 25-up 70-100
C5TGF Cold/hot wire 10-20 0-10 40-70
C6TGF Cold/average wire 10-20 10-15 40-70
C7TGF Cold/cold wire 20-30 16-25 40-70
C8TGF Cold/ultra cold wire30-up 25-up 40-70
Hope it helps
AFM
So if I am using 30% nitro with an average temp of around 80 degrees (F) and a relative humidity between 70% and 100% your table would recommend a C7TC (I cannot afford the gold plated plugs). Do you agree?
Thanks for the help.
Jim
#1836
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,480
From: Pole Position
hi
anyone heard of this .21 engine? was given to me by lhs to test out if i liked it but upon opening up it looks very simple..3port design, abc construction, slide carb, standard 1 piece head.
is this engine competitive? looks like its a basic .21 that will not produce much better..then again it may be a terror?
anyone heard of this .21 engine? was given to me by lhs to test out if i liked it but upon opening up it looks very simple..3port design, abc construction, slide carb, standard 1 piece head.
is this engine competitive? looks like its a basic .21 that will not produce much better..then again it may be a terror?
#1837
Originally Posted by jag
Thanks, that is very useful information.
So if I am using 30% nitro with an average temp of around 80 degrees (F) and a relative humidity between 70% and 100% your table would recommend a C7TC (I cannot afford the gold plated plugs). Do you agree?
Thanks for the help.
Jim
So if I am using 30% nitro with an average temp of around 80 degrees (F) and a relative humidity between 70% and 100% your table would recommend a C7TC (I cannot afford the gold plated plugs). Do you agree?
Thanks for the help.
Jim
AFM
#1838
Originally Posted by afm
Right....weather in Florida is like our summer, so we've been using C7T's for ages...just be carefull with humidity % Use C's for over 70% and F's for under 70%.
AFM
AFM
#1840
i make just over 5min with the Murnan Mod on 16%
mines still 2 new to know about the bearings being durable or not but having be a nova part im sure they didnt skimp on quality
no other .12 come close in my opinon
mines still 2 new to know about the bearings being durable or not but having be a nova part im sure they didnt skimp on quality
no other .12 come close in my opinon
#1841
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 3,840
From: Cebu City, Philippines and Ocala, Florida, USA
Originally Posted by Nitro$junkie
i make just over 5min with the Murnan Mod on 16%
mines still 2 new to know about the bearings being durable or not but having be a nova part im sure they didnt skimp on quality
no other .12 come close in my opinon
mines still 2 new to know about the bearings being durable or not but having be a nova part im sure they didnt skimp on quality
no other .12 come close in my opinon

i'm looking at the 12+3 sct version. haven't had any experience with ceramic bearings. that's why i'm asking for any opinions or feedback about this..
#1843
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Posts: 727
Originally Posted by doki_doki
thanks...
i'm looking at the 12+3 sct version. haven't had any experience with ceramic bearings. that's why i'm asking for any opinions or feedback about this.. 
i'm looking at the 12+3 sct version. haven't had any experience with ceramic bearings. that's why i'm asking for any opinions or feedback about this.. 
#1844
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Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 948
From: Sydney, Australia
Originally Posted by doki_doki
thanks...
i'm looking at the 12+3 sct version. haven't had any experience with ceramic bearings. that's why i'm asking for any opinions or feedback about this.. 
i'm looking at the 12+3 sct version. haven't had any experience with ceramic bearings. that's why i'm asking for any opinions or feedback about this.. 
Also, after extensive testing with pipes, we found the Novarossi 2630 to be the best! The pipes tested were, Mugen 2501, Sirio 2611, Novarossi 2601, 2602, RB 2604, Skyline VR12, VR12 Plus.
#1845
thats right, the 2630 pipe seems to be the best for the plus. i use it with the short (5 fins) manifold.
Darren Johnson has used on the Euro 2006 in Heemstede the 2601 pipe with the short (5fins) manifold. I talked to him and he said that the bottom power is much better with the 2601. He also said, that itīs more important to change your gear transmission.
Darren Johnson has used on the Euro 2006 in Heemstede the 2601 pipe with the short (5fins) manifold. I talked to him and he said that the bottom power is much better with the 2601. He also said, that itīs more important to change your gear transmission.



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