STS engines
#1621
Tech Elite
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Originally Posted by BundyMan
I am using the old novamax crankcase, basically transferring all the internals from the STS engine. I polished the the crankshaft as advised by the guy whom I purchased it from. It seemed to have eliminated the low end rich "blubbering" and the revs seemed to pick up much faster than before. Tried the engine again yesterday evening and I think its suited for medium sized tracks.
I have some mothers polish that should work right?
Pictures would be great.
Last edited by Artificial-I; 06-02-2005 at 09:33 AM.
#1622
Thats what I'm wondering. I just got a used one from ebay. only 70 shipped. I'm gonna order a piston and sleeve set and probaly a con rod from project zen. I emailed the guy about them and he said he can get me the P/S set for 40 shipped. Also could some one tell me all about the motor like the temps it likes to be ran at, needle settings, and all that jazz.
#1623
Also how many head shims and what type and temp of plug should I run with 25% nitro.
#1624
Tech Adept
Originally Posted by Artificial-I
So with any d3r motor the inside of the crank needs to be polished a bit? So they blubber a bit on the low end? If so thanks for the advice.
I have some mothers polish that should work right?
Pictures would be great.
I have some mothers polish that should work right?
Pictures would be great.
#1625
Tech Rookie
new motor
Hi all
i have just purchased a new g4 mongoose and i'm looking for a new motor.
Maybe looking at the D5r+tuned pipe set outlaw 6.0 combo , just wondering everyones opinion on this combo...
thankyou
i have just purchased a new g4 mongoose and i'm looking for a new motor.
Maybe looking at the D5r+tuned pipe set outlaw 6.0 combo , just wondering everyones opinion on this combo...
thankyou
#1626
Tech Apprentice
Originally Posted by wangcc61
I have some STS engines for awhile and finally taken measurement of their porting. I modified the exhaust port and intake timing on my engines for experiment. The result is better top end but slightly less punch. Good for smooth and large track. I just want to share the data to STS fans. Ok. here they are.
STS RS3
Schnuerle: 112 degree
Boost: 108 degree
Exhaust: 162 degree (mod.)
Induction(stock): 207 deg. (30 ABDC - 57 ATDC)
Induction(mod.): 212 deg. (30 ABDC - 62 ATDC)
STS D5
Schnuerle: 118 degree
Boost: 116 degree
Exhaust: 162 degree (mod.)
Induction(stock): 204 deg. (30 ABDC - 54 ATDC)
Induction(mod.): 212 deg. (30 ABDC - 62 ATDC)
I will take the measurement of my D3 next time.
I got the following data from rc magazine
Collari .12
Schnuerle: 114 degree
Boost: 114 degree
Exhaust: 159 degree
Induction: 213 degree (32 ABDC - 65 ATDC)
It looks like the induction of STS opens 2 degree sooner than Collari .12
By the way, if the crankshaft is lightened, say 1 or 2 gram, the engine will have quick acceleration from low rpm to high rpm. But the idle might not be as stable as stock one. Just need to tune the bottom and idle needles again, and it will be fine. Not sure if it is legal for ROAR to lighten the crankshaft....
STS RS3
Schnuerle: 112 degree
Boost: 108 degree
Exhaust: 162 degree (mod.)
Induction(stock): 207 deg. (30 ABDC - 57 ATDC)
Induction(mod.): 212 deg. (30 ABDC - 62 ATDC)
STS D5
Schnuerle: 118 degree
Boost: 116 degree
Exhaust: 162 degree (mod.)
Induction(stock): 204 deg. (30 ABDC - 54 ATDC)
Induction(mod.): 212 deg. (30 ABDC - 62 ATDC)
I will take the measurement of my D3 next time.
I got the following data from rc magazine
Collari .12
Schnuerle: 114 degree
Boost: 114 degree
Exhaust: 159 degree
Induction: 213 degree (32 ABDC - 65 ATDC)
It looks like the induction of STS opens 2 degree sooner than Collari .12
By the way, if the crankshaft is lightened, say 1 or 2 gram, the engine will have quick acceleration from low rpm to high rpm. But the idle might not be as stable as stock one. Just need to tune the bottom and idle needles again, and it will be fine. Not sure if it is legal for ROAR to lighten the crankshaft....
I got a D3R from Geoff couple months ago and I believed it was modified before I got it. Anyway, this engine is still running strong after 3 gallons and here is the measurement of the port timings.
STS D3R
Schnuerle: 116
Boost: 114
Exhaust: 156 Degree
Induction: 236 deg. (24 ABDC - 80 ATDC)
If you noticed the induction timing, it was retarded so much compared to stock one. I also noticed this D3R has different chape of conrod (both side of the conrod have grooves), and the fit between the piston and sleeve is tighter.
By the way, I also took the measurement of the new parts in case you need to compare to your engine to see if it has worn out or not.
Conrod: 4.32mm in diameter for crankshaft pin, and 3.94mm in diameter for wrist pin.
Wristpin: 3.88mm in diameter.
Crankshaft pin: 4.28mm in diameter.
The inaccuracy is 0.01mm to 0.02mm
Oh, last week I try to run-in the rebuilt D5 (6 gallons through before rebuilding; only replaced the P/S/Rod), it started to eat my glow plugs. After inspecting the components, I found out the crankshaft pin was only 4.11mm in diameter and I saw the damaging on the piston and button head due to detonation. I guess the worn out crankshaft had the same result as taking out the head shims.
#1627
Tech Apprentice
Originally Posted by Philth
Hi all
i have just purchased a new g4 mongoose and i'm looking for a new motor.
Maybe looking at the D5r+tuned pipe set outlaw 6.0 combo , just wondering everyones opinion on this combo...
thankyou
i have just purchased a new g4 mongoose and i'm looking for a new motor.
Maybe looking at the D5r+tuned pipe set outlaw 6.0 combo , just wondering everyones opinion on this combo...
thankyou
You will love it more if you get a lola body for it.....
#1628
STS CRANK PIN WEARING RATE
[QUOTE=wangcc61]........................
Oh, last week I try to run-in the rebuilt D5 (6 gallons through before rebuilding; only replaced the P/S/Rod), it started to eat my glow plugs. After inspecting the components, I found out the crankshaft pin was only 4.11mm in diameter and I saw the damaging on the piston and button head due to detonation. I guess the worn out crankshaft had the same result as taking out the head shims. QUOTE]
Just to complement your exellent post on STS timings, this is what the factory says about wearing rate.
AFM
"Running hotter is OK for STS engines, you only need to take care of the crankpin wearing rate.
The new one is 4.29mm diameter. When it is smaller than 4.25mm, don't use it on a race.
When its smaller than 4.2mm, the engine will break.
Running at 120ºC is OK, but 130ºC still OK!!! but you need to watch out the crankpin and conrod hole size. If all parts are in good condition, running under high temp. is OK for winning !!!"
Dino
STS Racing
Oh, last week I try to run-in the rebuilt D5 (6 gallons through before rebuilding; only replaced the P/S/Rod), it started to eat my glow plugs. After inspecting the components, I found out the crankshaft pin was only 4.11mm in diameter and I saw the damaging on the piston and button head due to detonation. I guess the worn out crankshaft had the same result as taking out the head shims. QUOTE]
Just to complement your exellent post on STS timings, this is what the factory says about wearing rate.
AFM
"Running hotter is OK for STS engines, you only need to take care of the crankpin wearing rate.
The new one is 4.29mm diameter. When it is smaller than 4.25mm, don't use it on a race.
When its smaller than 4.2mm, the engine will break.
Running at 120ºC is OK, but 130ºC still OK!!! but you need to watch out the crankpin and conrod hole size. If all parts are in good condition, running under high temp. is OK for winning !!!"
Dino
STS Racing
#1629
Self porting of a STS D3
Can any point me in a good direction to go in porting my stock STS D3, which I think is a short stroke motor only good on short tracks. Attached is a Picture of the track I would like to run it on. Thanks
#1630
D5R
Dino
Where are you temping the engine
I recently raced a D5R, It really didnt want to run well until temps were above 240f/115c.. block temp seems to a bit hotter than the bottom of cooling head.
I am racing oval so it is running wide open most of the way around the track.!! which is too bad this engine has some bottom end torque
Where are you temping the engine
I recently raced a D5R, It really didnt want to run well until temps were above 240f/115c.. block temp seems to a bit hotter than the bottom of cooling head.
I am racing oval so it is running wide open most of the way around the track.!! which is too bad this engine has some bottom end torque
#1631
Originally Posted by rge63
Dino
Where are you temping the engine
I recently raced a D5R, It really didnt want to run well until temps were above 240f/115c.. block temp seems to a bit hotter than the bottom of cooling head.
I am racing oval so it is running wide open most of the way around the track.!! which is too bad this engine has some bottom end torque
Where are you temping the engine
I recently raced a D5R, It really didnt want to run well until temps were above 240f/115c.. block temp seems to a bit hotter than the bottom of cooling head.
I am racing oval so it is running wide open most of the way around the track.!! which is too bad this engine has some bottom end torque
Last edited by dino.tw; 06-05-2005 at 09:38 AM.
#1632
Originally Posted by tazman34685
Can any point me in a good direction to go in porting my stock STS D3, which I think is a short stroke motor only good on short tracks. Attached is a Picture of the track I would like to run it on. Thanks
#1633
Wow dino is back after a long absence!!
#1634
sts engines
Hi Dino my name is Brett from Brisbane Australia.Just talking to Alan and he was saying that he wont be suppling engines anymore and that i wont be able to get them from Hong Kong either.It's not good news as i am currently sitting on top of the ladder at my club,and that is competing against the top brands of engines.If you have any insight of what is going on, and where i can get a continuios source of motors and parts it will be greatly appreciated as i am still kean to race the engines as i know that they are very reliable.
Thanks Brett
Thanks Brett