Increased runtime, cooler temps, from fuel. Whats the tradeoff?
01-19-2011, 02:09 PM
#16
This is true but it's not a huge difference. Also with Byrons, they make 9 and 11% blends in all the main nitro percentages. You can get 25 and 16% nitro with only 9% oil too.
Also think about this, while higher nitro will mean a richer setting and hence more oil, it will also be making more power at higher pressures, higher rpm's and possibly higher temps so it can use that extra oil.
Also think about this, while higher nitro will mean a richer setting and hence more oil, it will also be making more power at higher pressures, higher rpm's and possibly higher temps so it can use that extra oil.
I've tried 0% nitro and was surprised by the big different in tuning. After running 25% nitro, I remowed some head shims and put in a very hot plug. I had to lean the HSN close to ½ turn to get it run clean on the straight!
01-19-2011, 02:18 PM
#17
That's a BIG change. The difference between 25 and 30 might be just one hour or two on the HSN.
01-19-2011, 02:38 PM
#18
Here is a little video of the test:
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Just look from 0:38 to 0:56
01-19-2011, 02:38 PM
#19
I do have the equipment to mix, the nito and methanol is no problem to get but the used oils are. I mixed 3% Castrol Racing-M (also known as M50) and 6 or 7% Castrol MSSR
There is hope, my sponsor did find out these oils are easy to get in Germany.
We have tryed Shell Racing-M, a very thin oil with SAE30 specs resulting in a very thin fuel with an awesome performance but it has a very dirty combustion. One guy did become Dutch champion running it with his 1/10 car.
We have also tryed medicinal castor oil you can get at the drugstore. It is well used in the world of airplaines but we did discover some lubrication issues with our engines.
There is hope, my sponsor did find out these oils are easy to get in Germany.
We have tryed Shell Racing-M, a very thin oil with SAE30 specs resulting in a very thin fuel with an awesome performance but it has a very dirty combustion. One guy did become Dutch champion running it with his 1/10 car.
We have also tryed medicinal castor oil you can get at the drugstore. It is well used in the world of airplaines but we did discover some lubrication issues with our engines.
01-19-2011, 02:42 PM
#20
I do have the equipment to mix, the nito and methanol is no problem to get but the used oils are. I mixed 3% Castrol Racing-M (also known as M50) and 6 or 7% Castrol MSSR
There is hope, my sponsor did find out these oils are easy to get in Germany.
We have tryed Shell Racing-M, a very thin oil with SAE30 specs resulting in a very thin fuel with an awesome performance but it has a very dirty combustion. One guy did become Dutch champion running it with his 1/10 car.
We have also tryed medicinal castor oil you can get at the drugstore. It is well used in the world of airplaines but we did discover some lubrication issues with our engines.
There is hope, my sponsor did find out these oils are easy to get in Germany.
We have tryed Shell Racing-M, a very thin oil with SAE30 specs resulting in a very thin fuel with an awesome performance but it has a very dirty combustion. One guy did become Dutch champion running it with his 1/10 car.
We have also tryed medicinal castor oil you can get at the drugstore. It is well used in the world of airplaines but we did discover some lubrication issues with our engines.
We used it back in the ´80 and start ´90
01-19-2011, 02:46 PM
#21
mixing your own
I would love to mix my own fuel for a cost savings. But checking the prices for the ingredients seems to indicate that I'd end up paying more per gallon.
Using Klotz as a supplier, I see $44ga for nitro, $29ga for methanal and then the oil (either castor or synthetic) run about $14qt. Since there is no local supplier, I'd have to add in Hazmat and shipping charges. If I walk into AMain hobbies, I can get four gallons of Byron's for $89.
Using Klotz as a supplier, I see $44ga for nitro, $29ga for methanal and then the oil (either castor or synthetic) run about $14qt. Since there is no local supplier, I'd have to add in Hazmat and shipping charges. If I walk into AMain hobbies, I can get four gallons of Byron's for $89.
01-19-2011, 05:46 PM
#22
i would be interested in this, what equipment and charts do you need to do this.
01-19-2011, 09:05 PM
#26
I would love to mix my own fuel for a cost savings. But checking the prices for the ingredients seems to indicate that I'd end up paying more per gallon.
Using Klotz as a supplier, I see $44ga for nitro, $29ga for methanal and then the oil (either castor or synthetic) run about $14qt. Since there is no local supplier, I'd have to add in Hazmat and shipping charges. If I walk into AMain hobbies, I can get four gallons of Byron's for $89.
Using Klotz as a supplier, I see $44ga for nitro, $29ga for methanal and then the oil (either castor or synthetic) run about $14qt. Since there is no local supplier, I'd have to add in Hazmat and shipping charges. If I walk into AMain hobbies, I can get four gallons of Byron's for $89.
01-19-2011, 11:46 PM
#27
You have to look for Castrol Classic, through them you can get the oils.
01-20-2011, 10:34 AM
#28
Back in 1990 or 1991 we mixed 25% nitro, 6% pure MSSR 1% of some prototype oil additive for two-stroke motocross engines. Our engines (Rolf Hagel Piccos) ran like a dream the whole season without changing any parts in the engines
01-20-2011, 11:49 AM
#29
http://www.hyperfuels.com/
http://www.klotzlube.com/products.asp?cat=8
01-20-2011, 01:20 PM
#30
It's out of the question to pay shipping and Hazmat fees, but just to a get an idea of prices I used the following sites.
http://www.hyperfuels.com/
http://www.klotzlube.com/products.asp?cat=8
http://www.hyperfuels.com/
http://www.klotzlube.com/products.asp?cat=8