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A7racer 03-24-2014 06:46 PM

I am debating between the Top T Plus 7 and the Keep off XL7....is the bore and stroke the same on both? What else is different from the two? I looked at the specs on both and seems the Top has a bore and stroke of 16.26x 16.80 and the Keep Off at 15.88x17.60mm. Is this a typo or? Just trying to justify the cost difference before I purchase.

hambone 03-24-2014 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by A7racer (Post 13127243)
I am debating between the Top T Plus 7 and the Keep off XL7....is the bore and stroke the same on both? What else is different from the two? I looked at the specs on both and seems the Top has a bore and stroke of 16.26x 16.80 and the Keep Off at 15.88x17.60mm. Is this a typo or? Just trying to justify the cost difference before I purchase.

No typo, it's correct. Top is a bigger bore, shorter stroke bonito. Keep Off will have a little better bottom end, Top a little better on topend. Just depends on your needs/track type.

A7racer 03-24-2014 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by hambone (Post 13127283)
No typo, it's correct. Top is a bigger bore, shorter stroke bonito. Keep Off will have a little better bottom end, Top a little better on topend. Just depends on your needs/track type.

Thanks a bunch sir, I guess I'll have to spend the extra for the XL7 for better bottom end. So the XL7 is just an updated bonito?

Maximo 03-24-2014 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by A7racer (Post 13127243)
I am debating between the Top T Plus 7 and the Keep off XL7....is the bore and stroke the same on both? What else is different from the two? I looked at the specs on both and seems the Top has a bore and stroke of 16.26x 16.80 and the Keep Off at 15.88x17.60mm. Is this a typo or? Just trying to justify the cost difference before I purchase.

what were you looking to use it in ?

A7racer 03-24-2014 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 13127330)
what were you looking to use it in ?

D8T truggy on a some what tight track

pballer2777 03-24-2014 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by hambone (Post 13127283)
No typo, it's correct. Top is a bigger bore, shorter stroke bonito. Keep Off will have a little better bottom end, Top a little better on topend. Just depends on your needs/track type.

rob you going back to the hut on sunday?

Maximo 03-24-2014 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by A7racer (Post 13127351)
D8T truggy on a some what tight track

I would say then you want the Bonito/Keep-off 7 port....... they just make better low RPM torque

A7racer 03-24-2014 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 13127387)
I would say then you want the Bonito/Keep-off 7 port....... they just make better low RPM torque

Thank you. I will have to wait awhile until my tax return arrives. keep off xl7 it is

hambone 03-24-2014 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by pballer2777 (Post 13127383)
rob you going back to the hut on sunday?

10-4 Pete! You and Brian coming?

savagesam 03-24-2014 07:54 PM

Go the Novarossi Virtus, its a monster down low :)

pballer2777 03-24-2014 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by hambone (Post 13127404)
10-4 Pete! You and Brian coming?

not sure about brain but i'm trying to get there. have alot to do to be ready for a race. with work and hockey it may be close. if i do make it i'll be running buggy and ebuggy. still waiting for my truggy.

hambone 03-24-2014 08:25 PM

Sounds good. New losi truggy been keeping me busy. It's a no turning fool. Getting better though. Hope to see you Sunday.

1000rrstunna 03-24-2014 09:16 PM

Thinking of buying a p5 or b5 from you guys. How much improvement is gained by the full mod versions. Obviously there is more power but what else is gained. This will be my first nitro car since 2007... Last motor I ran was a stock vspec. I'm going to be running a 8ight 3.0. I also have a os2050 pipe in mint shape will it perform with any of these motors??

Thanks
Glenn

Maximo 03-24-2014 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by 1000rrstunna (Post 13127689)
Thinking of buying a p5 or b5 from you guys. How much improvement is gained by the full mod versions. Obviously there is more power but what else is gained. This will be my first nitro car since 2007... Last motor I ran was a stock vspec. I'm going to be running a 8ight 3.0. I also have a os2050 pipe in mint shape will it perform with any of these motors??

Thanks
Glenn

On both those engines the performance increase is quite large...You will find you can get very strong performance with a screaming top end but you will not need to be leaned out fully to do it unlike most stock engines....There are some very fast stock engines, but most times to achieve that screaming power the engine needs to be tuned on the edge of lean, which has many drawbacks with stability and engine life.......My engines are powerful enough that they can be run slightly rich and still be substantially faster and crisper then most anything stock.. Another area I feel they excel is in trigger feel and responsiveness..The modified engines are crisper and faster to respond to trigger input...AI would say it is very much like playing a racing video game like GT3 and working your way to the top level cars with highest power to weight...then going back several levels and driving a car with less power and more weight..It just feels slower and less responsive....This is what i feel when I run my modified engines back to back with the stock counterparts... The stock engines just feel flatter and less responsive, whereas the modifieds feel alive and dynamic....You will clear jumps with less trigger and if there are any open areas you should have the legs to take advantage over pretty much anything you come against...

Another are i find my engines are unique is how they respond to different tuned pipes... You can dramatically alter the performance of my engines by changing tuned pipes...Much more dynamic changes then you see with the stock counterparts....We can take a engine like a Clocked BTT..put on a 2096/41021 and it feels very smooth and only noticeably stronger and faster then stock....Put on a 9886/41001 and the engine feels like an absolute monster..with massive amounts of bottom end jam and a crazy acceleration curve...One of the of meanest, fastest accelerating buggy engine combo that i have ever encountered....compared to a stock BTT on a 2096/41021 this thing feels and sounds like a rocket ship, a completely different engine by all accounts.... Just playing with pipes completely changes the characteristic of the engine....

Another area I fee there is an advantage is the idle down after a high speed high power pass... Because we don't need to run the engines on the edge, we can still scream hard down the straight and have no high idle hangup when we let of..My engines will idle down immediately and do it on a tune able to easily pull past 40 000 RPM...A few stock engines can touch 40K, but they often don't idle down so nicely when tuned that aggressively.....You can hear it with many of them..they will scream down the straight, but as soon as trigger is released you hear ringa ping ping .....

We do see some fuel mileage gains...but they seem to be very dependent on the driver and how aggressively he drives and tunes the engine..I have some guys who get phenomenal runtimes, and other guys who get less than phenomenal runtimes....but on the average the Clocked engines are better on fuel then their stock counterpart....

if you have any other questions feel free to call me.... 1-204-487-3241

I have a great sale on my Clocked BTTWC engines..if you after an awesome Buggy engine I highly recommend this bad Boy

1000rrstunna 03-24-2014 10:20 PM

I'm trying to stay under 350$ I'm pretty sure I'm going with the b5 or p5 pm me your reccomendations with good all around pipes since I can't afford several for tuning options at the moment. On a budget ..... I'm just going to club race and run a few of the Midwest nitro series events... Maybe I should just buy a stock p5 but I hear great things about your modded mills...


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