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Redvet79 06-20-2010 09:06 AM

Sorry here is the link. Several Post Some With Pics.
http://www.rctech.net/forum/nitro-of...ng-engine.html

lambchops 06-20-2010 09:43 AM

You Tube video complete, sorry its hard to talk for 5 mins but you get the idea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjooU0c461Y

stot 06-20-2010 03:59 PM

spare bulb exspense lol

go to local salvage yard and raid some headlamp bulbs for a dollar or two

we suffer low temps here in the uk a lot of my racing in the winter is done in the -4 to 5 deg celcius range and this will be a god send to ease of starting and give my engine a longer life i used to use a headlamp bulb off a stick pack but now purpose built heater on its way

would have to be 12v as power limited here at uk tracks were all grass roots racing normally in middle of nowhere and dont have the support that usa tracks seem to have

one day when i win on lotto i wanna come out and sample the us style dirt tracks cant wait ;)

CompetitionHeat 06-20-2010 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by lambchops (Post 7564642)
Hello guys,

My names John and im the guy behind the Sure-Start which is a brand new product to the market, it’s so new in fact the first 20 units are only shipping to the first batch of customers tomorrow!

Couple of point in the Sure-Starts defense, it can get to way over 150f if you want things hotter, If you are willing to wait a little longer than five minutes it can get the engine over 200F. Five minutes in my opinion is the bench mark as most racers don’t want to wait around for 10 - 15 minutes before starting as it would mean it just simply wouldn’t get used most of the time.. In comparison tests with other competitor’s products it outperforms it and runs on 12V. Im also testing on a 3 cell Lipo now ;)


At the moment the Sure-Start is available on two size casing, small and Large and at the moment is targeted for 1/8th off-road engines, however there is no reason why I cannot produce a dedicated .12 size if the demand is there as all casing are interchangeable.

Thanks

John

Welcome John... I tried doing on a UK forum (MaxBashing) what you have just done here, introduce yourself and product. Our thread was deleted and we were basically told since we were not a "Home Grown" business in the UK we were not welcome. I just wanted to welcome you and I know RC Tech and their moderators are more than fair and will show no bias. Good luck to you and your product.

lambchops 06-20-2010 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by CompetitionHeat (Post 7566310)
Welcome John... I tried doing on a UK forum (MaxBashing) what you have just done here, introduce yourself and product. Our thread was deleted and we were basically told since we were not a "Home Grown" business in the UK we were not welcome. I just wanted to welcome you and I know RC Tech and their moderators are more than fair and will show no bias. Good luck to you and your product.

Thanks for the welcome Eric appreciated :)

lewis666 06-20-2010 11:09 PM


Originally Posted by Hellsavage (Post 7561233)
Here you go.
12V hair dryer and a cardboard tube
cost are 22 usd for the dryer and some time

i will try this one but i will use some plastic tubing and cover it in heat insulating tape. and if i cant get the engine hot enough with the hair dryer then i will take the fan and heating element out the the dryer and see if that makes a difference. so it will kind of look like one of those rc sure start ones

many thanks for the help

lewis

Anon 06-21-2010 12:49 AM


Originally Posted by CompetitionHeat (Post 7566310)
Welcome John... I tried doing on a UK forum (MaxBashing) what you have just done here, introduce yourself and product. Our thread was deleted and we were basically told since we were not a "Home Grown" business in the UK we were not welcome. I just wanted to welcome you and I know RC Tech and their moderators are more than fair and will show no bias. Good luck to you and your product.

I thought I'd drop by just to say that as a long time member of the aforementioned forum I feel pretty disgusted to read about what's happened here. To be honest and especially in the current climate you'd think that innovation and entrepeneurship would be applauded and welcomed, we're all in this hobby together at the end of the day. A pretty shoddy way to be treated in the least.
I wish you every success. !!
Anon,
UK.

Jaf1977 06-21-2010 02:46 AM

I agree the treatment/comments were a bit harsh - especially as they were in the open (and I'm not scared to put my name to my comments! :p :lol: )

I think it may partially be due to them trying to defend John and his product because of some of the comments on here questioning the design/reliability of it and were trying to protect one of their forum regulars. However, I'm not convinced there was a need for it personally. Both products ultimately do the same job but are different concepts and people will chose which suits their needs and pocket the best.

Personally, I have the 110v Competition Heat one and am very happy with it.

I already run a gennie so running a 240v-110v converter is not a major problem. However, 12v is generally more convenient over here and small 12v to 110v inverters aren't very common and it would still be something extra to carry....so I expect John's will be very popular on those grounds. It also has the big advantage of John's being UK based, and as a result the end cost being a fair bit lower (mainly due to the international shipping costs and import duty/VAT that we get hit for - I think I got hit for about £22 in fees before ParcelForce would release my heater - this was mainly their handling fee that they charge for charging me the VAT on behalf of the sodding Government!! :flaming: ).

From what I have seen (haven't seen John's up close yet), it does look very good....however, personally, I prefer the more compact design of the Competition Heat one as I already carry loads of stuff and want/need to condense it down! (although admittedly it isn't very compact by the time you add the converter!)....now, if a purely 12v one was available....I'd be very happy!

Hopefully everything has calmed down and I wish both companies all the best!

Kalgard Racing 06-21-2010 08:36 AM

Any new innovation or product development deserves to be applauded. This is the only way we will continue to grow. Nobody wants to see their hard earned work and money be criticized. Racer input is needed to help these manufacturers fine tune their products, but I agree it needs to be good constructive critcizism. So I hope any of my posts did not come off that way and if they did I apologize.

Good Luck to everyone, I am just stoked to see how many people realize how important it is to pre-heat these engines. My Orion with 4 gallons had almost zero crankpin and rod wear and I am 100% that it is due to pre-heating and goo fuel.

lewis666 06-21-2010 08:37 AM

does anyone have a competition heater that they do not want any more and they would be wiling to sell to me? just curious

many thanks

lewis

CompetitionHeat 06-21-2010 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Jaf1977 (Post 7568429)
I agree the treatment/comments were a bit harsh - especially as they were in the open (and I'm not scared to put my name to my comments! :p :lol: )

I think it may partially be due to them trying to defend John and his product because of some of the comments on here questioning the design/reliability of it and were trying to protect one of their forum regulars. However, I'm not convinced there was a need for it personally. Both products ultimately do the same job but are different concepts and people will chose which suits their needs and pocket the best.

Personally, I have the 110v Competition Heat one and am very happy with it.

I already run a gennie so running a 240v-110v converter is not a major problem. However, 12v is generally more convenient over here and small 12v to 110v inverters aren't very common and it would still be something extra to carry....so I expect John's will be very popular on those grounds. It also has the big advantage of John's being UK based, and as a result the end cost being a fair bit lower (mainly due to the international shipping costs and import duty/VAT that we get hit for - I think I got hit for about £22 in fees before ParcelForce would release my heater - this was mainly their handling fee that they charge for charging me the VAT on behalf of the sodding Government!! :flaming: ).

From what I have seen (haven't seen John's up close yet), it does look very good....however, personally, I prefer the more compact design of the Competition Heat one as I already carry loads of stuff and want/need to condense it down! (although admittedly it isn't very compact by the time you add the converter!)....now, if a purely 12v one was available....I'd be very happy!

Hopefully everything has calmed down and I wish both companies all the best!

Thanks for your support, much appreciated.

We actually tried to start our thread on (MaxBashing) before any comments were ever made here on RC Tech about Lambchops product. There were many posts deleted on their forum that defended our position and we want to thank all who tried to speak out.

token 06-21-2010 09:26 AM

Competition Heat

Best way to go!

DOMIT 06-21-2010 10:27 AM

I suggest asking the competition heat guys if they have a model that works there. I think your electricity there is different voltage/cycles. U.S. is generally 110/60 hertz.

lewis666 06-21-2010 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by DOMIT (Post 7569803)
I suggest asking the competition heat guys if they have a model that works there. I think your electricity there is different voltage/cycles. U.S. is generally 110/60 hertz.

yes the UK IS 240V I think but can they be run off a 12v battery without needing any thing special so it will work?

many thanks

lewis

CompetitionHeat 06-21-2010 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by DOMIT (Post 7569803)
I suggest asking the competition heat guys if they have a model that works there. I think your electricity there is different voltage/cycles. U.S. is generally 110/60 hertz.

Yes, it is a different Voltage. We have sold quite a few Comp heaters to the UK and Europe. All our customers with 220-240v purchase a power converter at their local electronics store (very inexpensive). If you read through the last few pages of the Comp heat thread there is info on this subject.


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