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mxtoeknee 05-24-2010 06:39 AM

JS Engines
 

Originally Posted by blktransam (Post 7445669)
Al...dont worry Ed has had my engine for over a MONTH!!! and Joe has yet to return my p.m I have sent asking about the engine last week....


Arent you a team driver? That isnt very good team support! hmmmm

blktransam 05-24-2010 07:25 AM

really Tony??!?! when nitroal is one of YOUR guys and he is complaining as u r the one that does his tuning and sold him the engines at YOUR team driver cost.......I like the EB Mods fuel I could not get the engine to work right maybe not a cold enough plug? as we ran a p6 in the race prep yesturday with great results...I sent my full mod to him over a month ago he then raced it 2 weeks ago and it was "screaming" I have been told from a racer that was at the race...and has yet to let me know whats going on... so whos not supporting who here!??!?!?!

nitroal 05-24-2010 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by blktransam (Post 7447718)
really Tony??!?! when nitroal is one of YOUR guys and he is complaining as u r the one that does his tuning and sold him the engines at YOUR team driver cost.......I like the EB Mods fuel I could not get the engine to work right maybe not a cold enough plug? as we ran a p6 in the race prep yesturday with great results...I sent my full mod to him over a month ago he then raced it 2 weeks ago and it was "screaming" I have been told from a racer that was at the race...and has yet to let me know whats going on... so whos not supporting who here!??!?!?!

yes tony is a team driver. that is why he is not posting any of his problems on the forum. i, on the other hand, am not a team driver and am getting frustrated at not having my motor, especially when we were told we would have them over a week ago. and i am not getting them at cost. we have a couple big races coming and i would like to have more than just my back up motor just in case.

pballer2777 05-24-2010 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by TheFcuddy (Post 7445929)
I have almost a gallon through my full mod. The Hut was canceled today so me and my buddies just burned nitro on the track all day. I am going through P5's like it's going out of style. I will run a quart through the engine and give it a rest. I go back to start it and the plug will be dead. The coils are severing up inside the plug.

I have been having a hard time keeping this motor from stalling. If I come in for fuel and don't keep it clear than I will flame out as I drive down the ramp. The motor is running strong when it's running, temps are averaging around 215, it's got tons of top end. It's blowing smoke coming out of turns all the way down the straight. The coils look dry with some oily soot around the tip of the plug.

Here is my tuning rational and probably where I am going wrong. I feel like every time I come in for fuel the motor loads up. I have been leaning little by little on the bottom end to slow the fuel going in at idle. Should I be leaning the top? Leaning the top would limit the total amount of fuel going into the engine. The reason why I went for the bottom was because I felt like the top was clearing out well and the running temps were good.

I used all my P5's so a fellow driver was kind enough to loan me a P4. That was the last pint I ran on the motor but it was running real well with the P4, it never flamed out, idled well and flat out ran awesome for a good session of driving with my friends. These ailments I am suffering from are caused by me. I just need a little help from you guys to get me on the road to a solid tune. Maybe keep running the P4 and see what happens?

This motor is very, very fast, I have said this before but I have not seen the top end fully unravel yet. With the 086 pipe I have to drive it aggressively to keep it on the pipe. Nothing crazy, this thing just wants more all the time. The bottom end is a little soft, the mid comes on real strong and smooth and then it just screams out to the top all day. Is this the general consensus with this pipe and motor combo?

Let me know what you guys think about my plug popping and load up/flame out problem. I was running P5's with Byrons 25/11, temping around 215 at the Hobby Hut today.

i also run at the hut with a p4 in a race prep with a 086 pipe and 30% byrons in a 8t 2.0. i get 12mins with and can clear any jump u putin front of it. i say stick with the p4 and see what happens.

blktransam 05-24-2010 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by nitroal (Post 7447804)
yes tony is a team driver. that is why he is not posting any of his problems on the forum. i, on the other hand, am not a team driver and am getting frustrated at not having my motor, especially when we were told we would have them over a week ago. and i am not getting them at cost. we have a couple big races coming and i would like to have more than just my back up motor just in case.

whatever Al....I would not post my problems on the forum IF my TEAM MANAGER would reply to pms...or the TEAM OWNER would call and tell me whats going on.....

jpalessi 05-24-2010 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by blktransam (Post 7445669)
Al...dont worry Ed has had my engine for over a MONTH!!! and Joe has yet to return my p.m I have sent asking about the engine last week....

maybe if you used the team email like your supposed to i would have. RCT is NOT the place to discuss team matters. I have a email address and phone number for that.

jpalessi 05-24-2010 09:29 AM

Ryan Klemme's Clutch AKA blktransam
 
http://ebmods.com/klemme.htm

anyone have any opinions on this clutch and problems it may cause?

blktransam 05-24-2010 09:30 AM

sorry my fault for thinking I could get ahold of you on a forum you are on every day....wow great way to turning that around on to me...

jpalessi 05-24-2010 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by blktransam (Post 7448272)
sorry my fault for thinking I could get ahold of you on a forum you are on every day....wow great way to turning that around on to me...

Ryan,
me being on here daily has nothing to do with the fact that team drivers have a team email addy and are supposed to contact me that way only. This is the only way for me to keep everything on file and share info with appropriate ppl.

blktransam 05-24-2010 09:51 AM

my appoligies Joe.

Ryan

jpalessi 05-24-2010 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by TheFcuddy (Post 7445929)
I have almost a gallon through my full mod. The Hut was canceled today so me and my buddies just burned nitro on the track all day. I am going through P5's like it's going out of style. I will run a quart through the engine and give it a rest. I go back to start it and the plug will be dead. The coils are severing up inside the plug.

I have been having a hard time keeping this motor from stalling. If I come in for fuel and don't keep it clear than I will flame out as I drive down the ramp. The motor is running strong when it's running, temps are averaging around 215, it's got tons of top end. It's blowing smoke coming out of turns all the way down the straight. The coils look dry with some oily soot around the tip of the plug.

Here is my tuning rational and probably where I am going wrong. I feel like every time I come in for fuel the motor loads up. I have been leaning little by little on the bottom end to slow the fuel going in at idle. Should I be leaning the top? Leaning the top would limit the total amount of fuel going into the engine. The reason why I went for the bottom was because I felt like the top was clearing out well and the running temps were good.

I used all my P5's so a fellow driver was kind enough to loan me a P4. That was the last pint I ran on the motor but it was running real well with the P4, it never flamed out, idled well and flat out ran awesome for a good session of driving with my friends. These ailments I am suffering from are caused by me. I just need a little help from you guys to get me on the road to a solid tune. Maybe keep running the P4 and see what happens?

This motor is very, very fast, I have said this before but I have not seen the top end fully unravel yet. With the 086 pipe I have to drive it aggressively to keep it on the pipe. Nothing crazy, this thing just wants more all the time. The bottom end is a little soft, the mid comes on real strong and smooth and then it just screams out to the top all day. Is this the general consensus with this pipe and motor combo?

Let me know what you guys think about my plug popping and load up/flame out problem. I was running P5's with Byrons 25/11, temping around 215 at the Hobby Hut today.

fuddy, sounds like you still need to lean the bottom some. Glow plugs can pop like that if the bottom is too rich, the excess fuel under pressure rips the coil in half. the p4's maybe a tad easier to tune, and if it ran better with a p4 its deff because the bottom is fat. also if you feel your not getting the grunt out of the corners try clutching up a bit cause it should rip on the bottom.

jbright33 05-24-2010 10:31 AM

well js's ran great this past saturday ended up chopping up another victory in truggy and 3rd in buggy with another js winning buggy. had a little mechanic tuning error (me) in the begining of the day with my truggy. I changed my fuel lines and was running to short of a pressure line causing my motor to want to run fat top with a little bit of lean bog. if anyone else is having this problem check you pressure line should be right around 7 inches.....

wallot 05-24-2010 11:09 AM

I put a carb from my dead engine onto the new one and will see tomorrow how it works. It should be tuned to perfection :)

mxtoeknee 05-24-2010 11:16 AM

EB Mods
 

Originally Posted by jpalessi (Post 7448267)
http://ebmods.com/klemme.htm

anyone have any opinions on this clutch and problems it may cause?

Maybe the Flywheel was milled crooked, causing it to overheat and distort? Maybe the pins were not pressed in 100% straight. Could be a number of things.



-Tony Bacon

TheFcuddy 05-24-2010 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by jpalessi (Post 7448395)
fuddy, sounds like you still need to lean the bottom some. Glow plugs can pop like that if the bottom is too rich, the excess fuel under pressure rips the coil in half. the p4's maybe a tad easier to tune, and if it ran better with a p4 its deff because the bottom is fat. also if you feel your not getting the grunt out of the corners try clutching up a bit cause it should rip on the bottom.

Thanks Joe, I will continue to run my current tune with the P4 I have installed. If it runs reliably than I will leave it otherwise I will work the low speed leaner a little at a time.

As far as clutches go I am running the stock Losi setup that comes with the race roller, it's the four blue aluminum shoes and the springs they have installed, what are they the Green and Black? What springs would you recommend, what do you run Joe? If I can get the punch I get in the middle at the bottom, this thing will feel damn near electric. I am running the Ofna 086 pipe with the [ shaped manifold, would I get more low end from a ( shaped manifold?

jpalessi 05-24-2010 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by TheFcuddy (Post 7449086)
Thanks Joe, I will continue to run my current tune with the P4 I have installed. If it runs reliably than I will leave it otherwise I will work the low speed leaner a little at a time.

As far as clutches go I am running the stock Losi setup that comes with the race roller, it's the four blue aluminum shoes and the springs they have installed, what are they the Green and Black? What springs would you recommend, what do you run Joe? If I can get the punch I get in the middle at the bottom, this thing will feel damn near electric. I am running the Ofna 086 pipe with the [ shaped manifold, would I get more low end from a ( shaped manifold?

my buddies run losi and they had to clutch up. 4 blue aluminum, and i think 4 silvers. idk im no losi guy. for headers the longer the center-line the more bottom, the shorter the more top.

tracyabshire 05-24-2010 06:50 PM

Hey Joe do you know whitch header they are running with the 9901 pipe.On a main they show 3 different headers for it.I know peter runs 9901 pipe,wondering if it woth buying,or should i just buy another 086.

Peter Martin 05-24-2010 07:56 PM

Since I drive an MBX6 I use the header from the Dynamite 086 so the 9901 pipe does not run into the tank...works great.

imaxx21 05-24-2010 08:01 PM

Tracie!!!!

tracyabshire 05-24-2010 08:22 PM

Thanks Peter.Shut up crash ,its TRACY get right.

imaxx21 05-24-2010 09:05 PM

RE11 FTW :)

Trevor Williams 05-24-2010 09:09 PM

hey Peter, wadup Joe..........

my race prep JS is running good at 2 gall mark..........I ran midwest rcps this weekend, I wasnt able to qualify due to work so I started 12th overall in A and was in 4th by 3rd lap, then I flamedout 2x and finally popped a plug due to overly rich bottom would be my guess, I would have had a podium finish but my tune was off and I paid, totally my fault:nod::cry::cry::cry: Pucci got my tune dialed today at practice, it's real good now, Im going to start running the fullmod very soon..........Loving the engines guys, thanks Ed, Joe and Peter.

awdcameolsx 05-25-2010 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by imaxx21 (Post 7451532)
RE11 FTW :)

RE10 just as good. Perfect in my mbx6. I was previously getting 8:40 till run dry (im a little hard on the throttle) now I get 10:25. I just hit the 2 gallon mark and am more then happy with my stock JS so far. Gona try it in my truggy this weekend to see how it feels compared to my nova p5x.

wallot 05-25-2010 08:33 AM

tested the motor with the older carb and motor was dialed. did not have to touch a thing. :tire::tire::tire::tire:

jpalessi 05-25-2010 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by wallot (Post 7453358)
tested the motor with the older carb and motor was dialed. did not have to touch a thing. :tire::tire::tire::tire:

nice!

T Wright 05-25-2010 04:32 PM

Made the Open Division A Main at the RC Pro Midwest Round 1. EB Mods engine was dialed all weekend. Unfortunately my tire gluing wasnt. It only lasted about 4 laps in the A Main until I hit the brakes at the end of the front straight and got to see my right rear foam (fully intact) roll past me in the corner. LOL. :cry: Lesson learned. ;)

I finally replied to your e-mail Joe. Thanks for everything!

nitro crazy 05-25-2010 07:03 PM

what are all of you guys using for after run oil in these engines or do you use any at all, dont want to screw up my silicone crank...

Who8mySandwich 05-25-2010 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by nitro crazy (Post 7456010)
what are all of you guys using for after run oil in these engines or do you use any at all, dont want to screw up my silicone crank...

EBMod ARO:
http://shop.ebmods.com/product.sc?pr...0&categoryId=9

rallyebmx 05-25-2010 09:22 PM

I went to the hardest fuel mileage track I go to tonight. I timed 2 tanks- 10min 45 and 10min 50sec till dry in buggy tonight with my race prep!

Mark K 05-26-2010 07:47 PM

I run the Losi clutch. I was running 4 aluminum shoes with 2 silver and 2 gold springs. It hit hard on the bottom but my clutches weren't lasting very long due to how heavy of a spring setup I was using. I just tried 2 aluminum and 2 carbon shoes with 2 gold and 2 green springs. I have to say I didn't notice a difference on the bottom end on my full mod. It still hits hard (I like a lot of bottom end punch) and it seemed like I had more top end speed because my clutch wasen't slipping at the top end due to the lighter springs. If your bottom end is a little "soft", your tune may be off just a tad.

tmperformance1 05-28-2010 06:56 AM

stephen call me when you can please. 334-790-5970

toobad4u 05-28-2010 08:04 AM

ok

Stephen

TheFcuddy 05-28-2010 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by Mark K (Post 7461268)
I run the Losi clutch. I was running 4 aluminum shoes with 2 silver and 2 gold springs. It hit hard on the bottom but my clutches weren't lasting very long due to how heavy of a spring setup I was using. I just tried 2 aluminum and 2 carbon shoes with 2 gold and 2 green springs. I have to say I didn't notice a difference on the bottom end on my full mod. It still hits hard (I like a lot of bottom end punch) and it seemed like I had more top end speed because my clutch wasen't slipping at the top end due to the lighter springs. If your bottom end is a little "soft", your tune may be off just a tad.

I spoke with Ed Bridges on the phone for a little bit about my plug popping and soft bottom end problem. It's all related to my low speed needle being too rich. It runs great out on the track when I can keep the throttle slide open but when I go slow the fuel builds and it needs to clear out, especially in the infield. I will say this, the motor ran so strong that it was hard to tell that it was tune related. It just forced the fuel out and came on with full force in the middle. My plugs paid for it though...I have not had the chance to go to the track since then. Ed will be at the Hobby Hut this Sunday, he said he will take a look at the tune. Not sure it gets any better than that.

TheFcuddy 05-28-2010 07:57 PM

I was at the track tonight and I leaned the low speed a few hours. Temps did not change but the bottom end came was there for sure! Problem, my pipe broke where the pipe hanger goes into the pipe. That whole cylindrical unit that is welded onto the pipe end is broken. I am not too sure how it happened, no bad crashes to speak of, it was an Ofna 086 that I put on brand new with the engine. That's neither here nor there, the problem is I need a pipe for Sunday. I am not sure I will be able to find an 086 in time. The Hut does not have a 086, 9901, or a 2041. How would an RE10 or RE11 work with the Full Mod? I will call some other shops tomorrow but if no other pipe is worth running on the Full Mod than I don't want to run something that won't be good. Any other good options?

Ron Goetter 05-28-2010 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by TheFcuddy (Post 7470076)
I was at the track tonight and I leaned the low speed a few hours. Temps did not change but the bottom end came was there for sure! Problem, my pipe broke where the pipe hanger goes into the pipe. That whole cylindrical unit that is welded onto the pipe end is broken. I am not too sure how it happened, no bad crashes to speak of, it was an Ofna 086 that I put on brand new with the engine. That's neither here nor there, the problem is I need a pipe for Sunday. I am not sure I will be able to find an 086 in time. The Hut does not have a 086, 9901, or a 2041. How would an RE10 or RE11 work with the Full Mod? I will call some other shops tomorrow but if no other pipe is worth running on the Full Mod than I don't want to run something that won't be good. Any other good options?

Try trains and lanes hobbies in easton I know they have some 610-253-8850. If they don't have one find me and I might. You may want to try a 2060 os pipe.

rallyebmx 05-28-2010 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by TheFcuddy (Post 7470076)
Problem, my pipe broke where the pipe hanger goes into the pipe. That whole cylindrical unit that is welded onto the pipe end is broken. Any other good options?

Is the pipe still good? Or did the damage rip a hole in the pipe? I know this sounds ghetto, but you can zip tie down your pipe no problem to the stone guard. It works perfectly-I did it last year in a jam and a foreign Hung Nor driver does this method on purpose for weight savings and he said he prefers the hold better

TheFcuddy 05-28-2010 09:53 PM

Ron, I will call Trains and Lanes to see if they can help me out. Thanks.

My 086 is toast, the end ripped clear off, I can stick my pinky down in it. JB Weld?

CKmaxx 05-28-2010 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by TheFcuddy (Post 7470442)

My 086 is toast, the end ripped clear off, I can stick my pinky down in it. JB Weld?



Try using the GMK spring thing if you aren't already. Should eliminate the end the pipe from being ripped out.

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ounting-Spring

alkal 05-29-2010 02:09 AM

Hi,
Hi i am from Israel, and it is mid summer here about 75-85 deg.
I put my new JS fully moded on a new MBX 6, I run it with 086 pipe a P4 plug and 25% nitro fuel as it is the best we have here. I must say the bottom end of this engine is not as explosive as other os or ninja engines on the track. I tunes the highe an low needles and still alittle week on the bottom, not anough power to jump doubles with a short run, other mugens with OS an RED wngine clear it with no problems.
Doyou guys have any tip?
thank you.
ronen

awdcameolsx 05-29-2010 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by alkal (Post 7470997)
Hi,
Hi i am from Israel, and it is mid summer here about 75-85 deg.
I put my new JS fully moded on a new MBX 6, I run it with 086 pipe a P4 plug and 25% nitro fuel as it is the best we have here. I must say the bottom end of this engine is not as explosive as other os or ninja engines on the track. I tunes the highe an low needles and still alittle week on the bottom, not anough power to jump doubles with a short run, other mugens with OS an RED wngine clear it with no problems.
Doyou guys have any tip?
thank you.
ronen

I used to run OS engines and this one has to be tuned a little leaner on the bottom. Give it a try and you will be calling v-spec's weak on the bottom compared to this motor. It took me about a gallon and a half to figure out that I could lean it out more and it still puffs all kinds of smoke. And to TheFcuddy the RE10 works great. I prefer that pipe over the 086 and saw run time improve with the RE10 over the 086 as well.


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