Sirio engines thread
#136
Tech Initiate
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 34
From: San Diego
By RB's method, my pipe is 93mm. It's probably killing my bottom end. Does anyone make single chamber pipes anymore? My OS is on a Paris ribbed pipe and screams. I went to the one piece baffled RD because my pipe kept disconnecting from the manifold. But, I did not notice any performance difference from the change from the Paris to the RD. I measured the distance from the end of the baffle to the manifold end of the muffler and it is 115 mm. It is a cone baffle. Is the Novamega and RB a cone baffle?
My engine has only one, thick shim. Took it out without clearance problems. A hint better bottom end. I need to retune the bottom end, it will die at idle every so often.
My engine has only one, thick shim. Took it out without clearance problems. A hint better bottom end. I need to retune the bottom end, it will die at idle every so often.
#137
Originally posted by h82crash
By RB's method, my pipe is 93mm. It's probably killing my bottom end. Does anyone make single chamber pipes anymore? My OS is on a Paris ribbed pipe and screams. I went to the one piece baffled RD because my pipe kept disconnecting from the manifold. But, I did not notice any performance difference from the change from the Paris to the RD. I measured the distance from the end of the baffle to the manifold end of the muffler and it is 115 mm. It is a cone baffle. Is the Novamega and RB a cone baffle?
My engine has only one, thick shim. Took it out without clearance problems. A hint better bottom end. I need to retune the bottom end, it will die at idle every so often.
By RB's method, my pipe is 93mm. It's probably killing my bottom end. Does anyone make single chamber pipes anymore? My OS is on a Paris ribbed pipe and screams. I went to the one piece baffled RD because my pipe kept disconnecting from the manifold. But, I did not notice any performance difference from the change from the Paris to the RD. I measured the distance from the end of the baffle to the manifold end of the muffler and it is 115 mm. It is a cone baffle. Is the Novamega and RB a cone baffle?
My engine has only one, thick shim. Took it out without clearance problems. A hint better bottom end. I need to retune the bottom end, it will die at idle every so often.
All high performance pipes are designed with an initial divergent cone, a center straight chamber, and a final convergent cone.
Each manufacturer varies the angles, lenghts and diameters of every section depending on what powerband they want to emphasize of the engine, depending on its design and application.
RB, Novarossi, Novamega, etc etc. pipes are designed this way.
Why don't you get a Novamega 2182-TPO3 pipe for your Sirio??that is the one that I'm using with great success now. I don't like in-line(one piece) pipes, because you can't tune them.
Strange about your engine having only one shim??? all Sirios come with two copper shims, and i measured total chamber and ended up with the ideal chamber of .50mm for 20% nitro by removing the thin copper shim. Better check again. You should have a .25mm shim to end with a .50mm chamber.
For fine tuning your engine use Josh Cyrul's tuning guide available at Trinity's web site under Tips.
AFM
#138
AFM is correct. I bet if you check on the bottom of the button that you will find that other shim stuck to it. I went crazy the first time I couldnt find a shim. I was cleaning the button and off popped the shim.
#139
Tech Apprentice
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 56
From: Daly City, CA (Next to SF)
While on da subject on pipes. What would be a good pipe/header set up for da evo1 non turbo on a NTC3??? There arent too many opitions(AE dual chamber, RD logics dual chamber, or the dynamite header that is exteremly long but allows you to use any pipe)Thanks
#140
Originally posted by modellor
I went crazy the first time I couldnt find a shim.
I went crazy the first time I couldnt find a shim.
Pipes...
Personally, I like the in-line pipes. They may not offer much in the ways of tuning, but they sure as heck wont cost you a race because of a coupler blowout. I took a full speed "T-bone" hit on the straightaway right to the connecting point on my in line pipe, it stregthed the spring and slightly moved the coupler joint, but I was able to finish the race.(A-main 2nd) Try that with a coupler! I help run one of our local tracks, and those silicone couplers are simply too unreliable for my taste.
Right now, I have my Trinity in line pipe on the car. If it doesn't give me the performance I want with my new Sirio, I don't have any problem switching.......but only to another in line pipe.
#141
Tech Initiate
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 34
From: San Diego
Changing my pipe will be a last resort. My pipe is a high perf pipe and designed for on road use. I'm still not convinced my pipe is causing my power woes. This is the second one I've tried with a totally different tuning length and it runs about identical to the other pipe. Thinking I got a lemon. No lie, mine has about 60% of the power as the rest of the field.
BTW, my engine model is the SP12TRPT, is this one junk? Also, once I got the head off I realized it has an aluminum sleeve (AAC). Anyone else having trouble?
BTW, my engine model is the SP12TRPT, is this one junk? Also, once I got the head off I realized it has an aluminum sleeve (AAC). Anyone else having trouble?
#142
Tech Initiate
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 34
From: San Diego
Ok, I geared down a tooth on the 1st pinion and it is a whole new engine. At least reaching some top rpm now but still seems a bit slow getting there after it shifts. Will go down one on the 2nd gear pinion next.
#143
Originally posted by h82crash
Ok, I geared down a tooth on the 1st pinion and it is a whole new engine. At least reaching some top rpm now but still seems a bit slow getting there after it shifts. Will go down one on the 2nd gear pinion next.
Ok, I geared down a tooth on the 1st pinion and it is a whole new engine. At least reaching some top rpm now but still seems a bit slow getting there after it shifts. Will go down one on the 2nd gear pinion next.
AFM
#144
Hi guys, for your records below is the official answer I got from the factory concerning conrod life for the Sirio S12. Also I did measurement to crank pin on a new stock engine and found that it has 4.428mm.
Hope it helps everybody
AFM
"The right play between crank pin and conrod bushing is 0,04 - 0,05 mm. I don't know if you're able to check it, but I suggest you change the conrod every 2-3 hours running.
The life of the conrod depends mainly on the fuel you use, as the lubrification and the right carburation keeps your engine running well for long time."
Regards,
ANDREA ROSSI
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Hope it helps everybody
AFM
"The right play between crank pin and conrod bushing is 0,04 - 0,05 mm. I don't know if you're able to check it, but I suggest you change the conrod every 2-3 hours running.
The life of the conrod depends mainly on the fuel you use, as the lubrification and the right carburation keeps your engine running well for long time."
Regards,
ANDREA ROSSI
Lavorazioni Meccaniche srl
Via Meucci, 3 Seggiano di Pioltello Mi Italy
Tel +39 0292160235 Fax +39 0292160581
Visit our Web Site at :
WWW.STAR-MOTOR.COM
#145
Tech Apprentice
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 88
From: Spokane, WA
I have 2 Sirio engines, a 12 TRPPRO and a 21 PRPro.
They are both leaking from the glow plug.
Does anyone know the cause of this?
The plugs are tightened down really good, so I don't know what the problem could be.
They are both leaking from the glow plug.
Does anyone know the cause of this?
The plugs are tightened down really good, so I don't know what the problem could be.
#146
Originally posted by PSI Racer
I have 2 Sirio engines, a 12 TRPPRO and a 21 PRPro.
They are both leaking from the glow plug.
Does anyone know the cause of this?
The plugs are tightened down really good, so I don't know what the problem could be.
I have 2 Sirio engines, a 12 TRPPRO and a 21 PRPro.
They are both leaking from the glow plug.
Does anyone know the cause of this?
The plugs are tightened down really good, so I don't know what the problem could be.
If they are standard plugs, check if the surface of the head button where the plug washer seats is square(flat), if not carefully place a 600 grit sand paper on a glass or flat surface and with light circles sand the surface until it is flat. Also change the copper washer with a new one, because they tend to deform after tightening.
AFM
#148
*Turbo Buttons are very easy to cross thread, Check to make sure you haven't done so.
Also i have a question. I have a S12 TRP Pro turbo with 2 shims should i remove one to run 20% or is that only for evo engines?
Also i have a question. I have a S12 TRP Pro turbo with 2 shims should i remove one to run 20% or is that only for evo engines?
#150
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Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 472
From: NC USA
Originally posted by h82crash
Changing my pipe will be a last resort. My pipe is a high perf pipe and designed for on road use. I'm still not convinced my pipe is causing my power woes. This is the second one I've tried with a totally different tuning length and it runs about identical to the other pipe. Thinking I got a lemon. No lie, mine has about 60% of the power as the rest of the field.
BTW, my engine model is the SP12TRPT, is this one junk? Also, once I got the head off I realized it has an aluminum sleeve (AAC). Anyone else having trouble?
Changing my pipe will be a last resort. My pipe is a high perf pipe and designed for on road use. I'm still not convinced my pipe is causing my power woes. This is the second one I've tried with a totally different tuning length and it runs about identical to the other pipe. Thinking I got a lemon. No lie, mine has about 60% of the power as the rest of the field.
BTW, my engine model is the SP12TRPT, is this one junk? Also, once I got the head off I realized it has an aluminum sleeve (AAC). Anyone else having trouble?
Mark



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