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aznitronut 11-06-2012 09:05 PM

Cool, we are having the 2013 The Dirt Nitro Challenge, Feb 20-24. Try to make that one, its always fun. Joey has Ben building tracks in Italy, Spain, and Brazil, I think.

Chris Peralta 11-06-2012 09:07 PM

Bart,

The 2058 I run is the Werks version of it. The Werks, Orion, and nVision all come from the same place but I have heard that the nVision branded ones come in a high end and a low end model, not sure what exactly is different tho. I looked on A-Main and I think I am gona order an nVision one tho, for that price I will see for myself if their lower quality runs as good as the Werks.

aznitronut 11-06-2012 09:10 PM

The high end 2058 has a beefed up stinger, the cheaper one does not.

Chris Peralta 11-06-2012 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by aznitronut (Post 11413612)
Cool, we are having the 2013 The Dirt Nitro Challenge, Feb 20-24. Try to make that one, its always fun. Joey has Ben building tracks in Italy, Spain, and Brazil, I think.

I was at NC10 a few years back and had an amazing time!!! If I can get away from work I will try to get some guys to caravan down. I have not been to the FF yet so looking forward to running there for at least some club racing.

aznitronut 11-06-2012 09:24 PM

Let me know ahead of time when your coming down, so I can let you know if they are racing that weekend, from now till after Xmas, they have Haunted house, then they go into Xmas light display, its a drive thru thing, they make a butt load of money on that, we have to be done racing before dark, or they get pissed.

camiloro 11-07-2012 04:25 AM

good day,

i have a question, how know the runtime of a RB B11 in a buggy , and the runtime of the F11

thanks

Herrsavage 11-07-2012 04:28 AM

I see you asking that quite a bit. I think there is no definitive answer. There are too many variables: track size and conditions, climate, fuel, plug, pipe, driving style, etc.. From what I have read and heard, the B11 should do better on runtime than the F11.. Whether either will match a Speed for ex. I don't know..

Chris Peralta 11-07-2012 05:09 AM

Having run both the B11 and the F11 I will say that for me and my track type and my driving style I get better mileage with the F11. I drive smooth and easy so the extra power the F11 allows me to drive most sections of the track with less throttle input, where with the B11 I find myself having to mash the throttle more often. If you always drive punched and use all of the power that any engine provides then you will get better mileage out of the B11. Like Savage said, it's going to all come down to the guy driving the car and setting it up!!

Eivind E 11-09-2012 12:47 PM

My friend brought a RB Black to my house today.
It has about 3 gallons on it, the front bearing was extremely worn out, and it had lost all it's compression.
The front bearing still had it's inner seal on it, so obviously it would get no lubrication, I think that's very bad by RB.

I understand that this is a cheaper RB engine that is made in Taiwan or China or something, and costs only €100, but jeez.. they could at least take the inner seal off the front bearings before they install them.

patrickgarcia 11-19-2012 05:26 AM

RB B11
 
Hello RBs fans!
I really need your help on this...
I just bought a B11 and use the heat cycle method, for about 5 tanks.
Since then, I'm trying to lean it to run about 110° ~ 120° (always in Celsius) but, when you apply full throttle, the engine dies. It doesn't bogs or give any sign of a lean mixture. It just simply dies. It only runs if I keep the temperature about 85°C.

I am struggling with this for almost 1 gallon!
On my opinion, it seems that the engine didn't broke in yet... It is like the piston gets stucked at the TDC on high RPM range!
Any other thoughts? Suggestions? Magics?

Using Byrons 20%, Comp. Heater, 7mm venturi and RB plug...

Thanks!

jk1152 11-20-2012 06:14 AM

2087 vs 2097 on a BX engine
 
Well just to report back. The 2087 did get better runtime for me vs 2097 on the BX engine. I was struggling on the 2097 running dry about 7:15 not being about to run 7 minute qualifiers without running out. With the 2087 no issues making 7 minute qualifiers, running to at least 7:30 during them with fuel still in the tank. Likely could go at least ~7:50 till dry. So I would pit at 7:30 easily during race conditions.

I used the same header on the 2087 that came with the 2097. I would have tried the 2045 but that pipe design where the set screw is makes it bulge out to much and rubs holes in my bodies on my car. Not enough room for that pipe.

aznitronut 11-21-2012 09:01 PM

If anybody is looking for a 2058 pipe, amain has them on sale for 24.99 no manifold, its an Nvision Pro pipe, with the beefed up stinger, its just like the Werks 2058 pipe.

Herrsavage 11-22-2012 09:07 PM

RB V9 at amain.. Same as V8?... Also similar to a C6?

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...&utm_campaign=

aznitronut 11-23-2012 05:58 AM

The Blast is nothing like. C6, the blast is a 5 port engine, the C6 is a 7 port engine, the only engine that RB has been made that actually is a C6, was the ,B9, B10, and the B11.
RB made a 5 port engine a few years back, but it was a sport engine, and I believe it had a 13 mm crank, instead of the new Blast has 14 mm crank.

Herrsavage 11-24-2012 02:37 AM

OK guys, the RB Blast V9 has been knocked down a hundred bucks to $199 at amain!!.. I really want the V8, but if this V9 is identical, I'll order it.. So can somebody confirm if it's the same? Thanks...

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ipe-Turbo-Plug

Maximo 11-24-2012 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by aznitronut (Post 11472846)
The Blast is nothing like. C6, the blast is a 5 port engine, the C6 is a 7 port engine, the only engine that RB has been made that actually is a C6, was the ,B9, B10, and the B11.
RB made a 5 port engine a few years back, but it was a sport engine, and I believe it had a 13 mm crank, instead of the new Blast has 14 mm crank.

actually the C6 is a 5 port......the F11 is a 7 port

jmoneym 11-24-2012 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by Herrsavage (Post 11475569)
OK guys, the RB Blast V9 has been knocked down a hundred bucks to $199 at amain!!.. I really want the V8, but if this V9 is identical, I'll order it.. So can somebody confirm if it's the same? Thanks...

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ipe-Turbo-Plug

i just order one for $187 you can't go wrong.:lol:
May order another.

Maximo 11-24-2012 05:39 AM

I Am doing some research and the blast V9 uses the same internals as the C5 and C6 engines.............. for $187 this is a wicked deal..IMO it is quite mild stock, but turns into one of the best when modified !

Maximo 11-24-2012 06:36 AM

okay my bad.... I see in another picture the Blast has a single exhaust port.................. which means it is definitely not a C6 base............ its very odd, but it seems there are several sleeves that come in these blast engines..... So without having one here I cant say what they are exactly

aznitronut 11-24-2012 06:53 AM

It may be the old C4 .

Herrsavage 11-24-2012 01:02 PM

The V8 is a 5+2 port. I really like the looks of it in that vid I posted earlier, so I guess I'll hold out for a V8 then..

Herrsavage 11-26-2012 06:42 AM

So, went with a V9... Anybody else pick one up?

The V8 in that vid I linked though is anything but mild... Same with the C6's I've seen in person..

Maximo 11-26-2012 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Herrsavage (Post 11482701)
So, went with a V9... Anybody else pick one up?

The V8 in that vid I linked though is anything but mild... Same with the C6's I've seen in person..

I guess it is all relative to what we are used to running .... get used to running a Clocked Bonito then you also would think a C6 is very mild, as the Bonito has a massive power and RPM advanatge

Herrsavage 11-26-2012 08:59 AM

The video speaks for itself IMO..

And whatever the case, most buggy .21's have more than enough - some say too much - power for buggy, and most have plenty for truggy.. The engine in that video I would say is at the top end of the power scale available - and especially for a decent price..

But whatever.. Strangely enough, I sent RMV an email with the question, which one should be more powerful, the V8 or V9?.. They answered, "there is only the V8", and there won't be any more.....

ps Yep, a few minutes on google led to some websites in the UK - the V9 is basically a C5...

"This is based off of the legendary C5 series of engines, featuring the same internals and performance but at a all new price!"

kgombe 11-26-2012 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Herrsavage (Post 11483070)
The video speaks for itself IMO..

And whatever the case, most buggy .21's have more than enough - some say too much - power for buggy, and most have plenty for truggy.. The engine in that video I would say is at the top end of the power scale available - and especially for a decent price..

But whatever.. Strangely enough, I sent RMV an email with the question, which one should be more powerful, the V8 or V9?.. They answered, "there is only the V8", and there won't be any more.....

ps Yep, a few minutes on google led to some websites in the UK - the V9 is basically a C5...

"This is based off of the legendary C5 series of engines, featuring the same internals and performance but at a all new price!"


I have to agree with you here that the C6 was anything but mild especially for buggy.. i remembered when they first came out truggy wasn't as popular and people would run a 28 in them.. the C6 whipped a truggy around like nothing and back then the truggies were brick heavy...

great engine that C6 was.. wish they were available in the US

Herrsavage 11-26-2012 08:00 PM

And the C5? How did it compare to the C6?

kgombe 11-26-2012 08:04 PM

never seen one run.. sorry

Herrsavage 12-01-2012 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by jmoneym (Post 11475718)
i just order one for $187 you can't go wrong.:lol:
May order another.

You get yours yet? Had a chance to look inside?

Herrsavage 12-24-2012 11:06 PM

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...225_080230.jpg

Herrsavage 12-25-2012 12:07 AM

Couple observations..:

1.) Front bearing not blue
2.) Carb pinch bolt is a nut, not a screw
3.) Looks like big cuts in the case at the exhaust outlet (maybe normal, but they really stand out..)

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...225_090137.jpg

Maximo 12-25-2012 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by Herrsavage (Post 11592463)
Couple observations..:

1.) Front bearing not blue
2.) Carb pinch bolt is a nut, not a screw
3.) Looks like big cuts in the case at the exhaust outlet (maybe normal, but they really stand out..)

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...225_090137.jpg

MES or not ? (3 port exhaust )

by the blowup of the picture in the instructions it looks like a S7 sleeve.... what is the stroke/bore of the engine ?

Herrsavage 12-25-2012 05:28 AM

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ipe-Turbo-Plug

16.22x16.80....

On several of the British sites it says explicitly that it's a throw-together of old C5 parts.. I'd like to get an idea of what kind of power to expect. If it's not going to be above average, I'd sell it and get a V8..

Maximo 12-25-2012 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by Herrsavage (Post 11592693)

Hmmmm... if you ever have it apart measure the actual bore for me....... I had read elsewhere it was a 16.4/bore/stroke

hambone 12-25-2012 12:44 PM

The p/n on that sheet for p/s/r assembly is 01143-5. That's for a S5, not a C5/6. Totally different animal.

Herrsavage 12-25-2012 12:54 PM

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-RB-Bla...-/160909862200

Definitely have no interest in an S5.. Not too keen to, but would sell it if it is and get a V8..

kgombe 12-25-2012 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 11592695)
Hmmmm... if you ever have it apart measure the actual bore for me....... I had read elsewhere it was a 16.4/bore/stroke

one of the other V's was a WS7 square stroke... not this one..

Herrsavage 12-26-2012 11:07 AM

So what is it? C5 or S5(and just how mild was the S5)?

kgombe 12-26-2012 11:18 AM

the part number for the sleeve is an S5.. but the crank is from a C6 (i think)... not sure of the case..

patrickgarcia 12-26-2012 12:56 PM

The crank is the same used on Cross10 and Cross11 (X10 and X11), code 01165-14B

Check this on the part list of those engines on the RB site.

bopracer 12-28-2012 12:42 AM

Fire 11
 
Where can I get a Fire 11 from? Are they all gone?


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