thats good to know i just got the .21 pre run also and its a good running engine im going to try the 086 pipe on it

is .21 pre run enough power for truggy or I need to get .24?

i run the pre run .21 in my truggy and it screams you wont be sorry you got it

I have the .24 but honestly I believe the .21 would be plenty! I could,t use all the power the .24 had. I turned the throttle epa down to control my heavy finger and got better lap times

Thanks guys

I have .21 ebmode already.Im planning to get my second extech but I don't know if im going to get the .21 or .24 pre run for my truggy.

Cheers

Chad Phillips ygpm.:) thanks

Could Chad or anyone elso who might know please help me out on this subject? I have a Eb modded .21 with about 12 runs on it. Ran strong last race. Went To clean stuff for Motorama and I noticed there is minimal pinch in the motor. Is this normal? It has like a double snap to it at the top. Am i SOL hopefully not. Thanks:nod:

Pinoy Cali, I woud defenitly go with 24.
I run two 24 full moded engines in my rc8t(I have two cars, one for racing,one for practice)and realy like the power of 24, if you dont need so much power you can still geared up or install smaller venturi on it and you get extra runtime vs the 21 with the same power with standard venturi, so why use 21, if you can get the same or more runtime with 24. And yes, i also run sirio 2056 pipe. I get 10-12 min. of runtime, depends on track. At first I wanted to buy extech 2056 pipe(but its all the time on back order at amains) so I took sirio2056 pipe, and Iam realy happy with it, and I realy think its the preety the same pipe as trinity pipe.
hope this helps

Double snap at the top? You may want to disassemble it and check and see if your connecting rod bushing is excessively worn creating slop. As far as the pinch how little pinch are we talking?

That sounds like a rod bushing going. I would not run it until you replace the rod. You may have ran it too lean and over revved it.

Last weekend I was trying too dial in a new FM 21. I had great low end but no top. And temps were getting up there. I turned the HSN out 1 full turn and the LSN in 1 full turn. My top now SCREAMS and I still have good bottom. My temps also dropped 40 degrees! I will check exact settings but I am somewhere around 1 1/2 turns out on top and a full turn or so in from flush on the bottom. Stock settings seemed off.

i got a race prep .24 eb mod and it had no shims. I had good bottom and no top, like i was missing the upper 20% of the rpm range. after i blew my third or forth plug i disassembled it and found no shims. So for those of you having some problems I would check the shimming. I already had some slop in my rod after only eds break in and four tanks by me. I sent it in to chad to take a look at it and he said i would have a new engine by the end of the last week. still waiting but i am sure he is a busy man. :)

Yeah my conrod is beat.... Just a little discouraging that it didnt last any longer than it did. Not knocking the motor at all cause it definitely has balls but now to replace a conrod 1/2 gallon in kinda sucks. :flaming:

More than a little discouraging! Contact Chad Phillips and see what he can do for you.

Did you run it supper rich or something? My pre-run .24 has at least 3/4 gallon through it and it has tons of pinch in it. I can barely turn the flywhell over when mounted in the truck. \

GLTY

Shims
 

Frank, if it was an EBMods engine you should have sent it to ME! No one else is authorized to work on any of my engines...... This goes for anyone that has an EBMods ExTech engine.

The .24 engine only has one shim installed and it's aluminum and can be easily mistaken for not having shims. This happens all the time to people that pull the head off, and the shim gets stuck to the head button and blends in, which is exactly what happen to you this time.. But I know you'll say it wasn't.... The .24 shims fit tight on the head button and require a razor to lift from button.
Also unlike your .21 please don't reinstall your heatsink wrong after removing it. Just like you had your stock extech 21 head on sideways during the Hobby Hut race..And when I asked you about it, but you denied removing it? So just please pay closer attention when working on your engines.


FYI, if the engine was under shimed it would scream on the topend.... not fall flat,,, falling flat on top is a sign of low compression, wrong pipe, or too hot of a glow plug.

first of all that engine is now my property, I paid for it and did not sign or agree to any disclaimer to where I decide to send "MY" engine to be worked on! No one else is authorized to work on your engines, give me a break ed thats nonsense, haha lol! show me the legal paperwork, patent, etc. that proves that. maybe you will throw out your warranty if some one else works on it but to say no one else is allowed to work on them is nonsense or even funny.

second of all i check the engine for shims maybe i missed it maybe i didn't? i did not see one which does not mean it was not there. so do not try to guess what i am going to say!

third, i did put on my heat sink on sideways and never said I did not so stop lying about me in order to better your self or make me look bad. i never denied removing it because i do after every race weekend! you pointed it out and to be honest i was a little embarrassed about it, but i never said i did not do it! why would i lie about something stupid like that? don't you worry about how much attention i pay when working on "MY" engine! If I do something wrong to "MY" engine i'll make sure to send it to chad to see what he can do to "MY" engine.

your the one that pissed away a good salary job at trinity($50k a year) so stop coming on here causing problems and lying, this is no longer your thread!! A friend of yours told me about you quitting and he could not fathom how you could just piss 50k away like that, you had it made working at home etc. I responded well maybe he has money? His response was ed does not have money he is dirt! what ever that means i do not know take it how ever you want. he said you quit because of backstabbing at the work place, grow up ed it happens in every work place! ed you are what your are and you will always be just that the rest of your life.(lazy, a liar, and always looking for the easy way out). i am very good at reading people and your book is easy to read, only a few pages though you haven't accomplished much!!

i am sure your right about how the engine would run with no shims, you know alot more about engines than me. but what if it was broken in with now shims and the rod developed a lot of slop around the crank pin how would it run then?

this may have got a little personal, but you lied about me and I could not let that go! i post what i think is the truth or what I find(no shims possibly) and if I am wrong i will be the first to admit it. maybe you do the same, maybe in your laziness to recall conversations properly you thought I said those things, who knows?

Some quotes after a quick search:

Several unanswered calls and voicemails to eb mods.

Well, I've got EB Mod V Spec that locked up last week very prematurely. It was my favorite .21 less than 2 gallons on it, but now I'm questioning the quality of the mod it did run very good and I was leading when it died. But I have other V Spec's with several gallons on them with no problems, and I emailed Ed a week ago with no response. So I will probably be looking at a different .21 for a replacement, seeing all the retailers don't handle it anymore, and OS took it off their website.
ED YOU HAVE MAIL !!!

look on forums for your reputation on faulty EB modded OS engines. There are plenty of them... start googling. There was even a celebration outside the forums on myspace LOL.
Ed - You have mail

Originally Posted by Kemorc
EB treated his customers like crap.
He treated them like they didn't know a thing. What put him out? OS engines. There were a bunch of people complaining about his quality of work, people telling others to look elsewhere for engine modding.
Its good to see this (people who run a business like him into the ground).

Sure Ed your always right customers are lying!!
Originally Posted by EBMods
Wow, I didn't treat customers like crap. I just had Crappy Customer Service. And I don't kiss ass, especially people who think they deserve it. I don't expect anyone to kiss mine either. Sorry, but it's hard to answer every call and email when I'm the only one here. From Dyno testing, Machining it's hard to get all the work finished on time,,,, and then answer calls and emails. Anyone who complains about my quality of work doesn't have a clue.

A new web site is almost finished and should be up by the end of the week. Look for it to have More Tech Data like Dyno Graphs, Engine Blueprints, Flow Bench Data, Engine Pics, Shop Pics, with a current News page.

Ed is selling his stuff

My loss your gain. EBMods is going out of Business and looking to sell off all the equipment and tooling. Please contact me direct at [email protected] or call the shop 570-719-1012
Thanks for all the support,
Ed Bridges
Eds quote on him going out of business:

Sorry everyone, I should of never posted what I did until I knew for sure. I had a few family issues pop up that made things very tough. I guess I just lost my mind for a few days with the added stress.

I know some of those posts are old but they reveal eds true colors!!

I'm still doing OS engines and plan to have a few new engines and exhaust kits ready in a couple of weeks. I've been putting together a press release for the Magazines and Online to announce that EBMods is staying in Business and is being restructured. What's this mean? Not only better customer service, but I want EBMods to be known for having the best. This is the number one thing I'm focused on. From a Fresh new web site, along with more engine choices, Exhaust Kits, ETC....... and having someone able to answer the phones during normal business hours, I hope to change this image. Look for myself and more Team drivers showing up at tracks worldwide. The new EBMods 926 Tuned Pipes for the V-Spec's will be available soon. They are EFRA Legal 3 Chamber Pipes with Black Hard Coat.
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thanks ed enjoy the Super Bowl!!

frank if you ever need any modding done ..try out mark smith at

www,powerhousercperformance.com

awesome work awesome CS and awesome with responding to probs ....

and dont feel bad about the post ...its been coming for a minute:nod::nod::nod:

thanks zixxer i have talk to mark and when i have money set aside for modding i dfinately will. he seem like the smartest modder i have talk to yet he makes sense of it all very well for the dummy like me.

me too the dummy part i mean :nod:

Mark at powerhouse is the bomb..Thats the only one i would let chop and screw my motors...Kinda glad i stayed away from the eb mod motors, i have only heard bad things about them:confused: NOt trying to knock Ed work or anything, but when i was in the market for a OS motor i did read some good with the bad..

How does the FM.21 run with 20%.. Do you have to do anything with the head shims? Glow plugs?

I just bought the FM ex tech2.. I have the eb modded first gen engine.. is there gonna be a noticible diff??? or are most of you happy with the Gen2 motors???

I had the EB FM gen.1, then got the pre-run gen.2 and the there is a slight difference but the power seems much more linear, i really like it!

Thanks...

actually on my .24 eb mod your right ed there were shims. just too many of them thats why i had no top end. there are supposed to be 2 shims not four, thus causing no top end. but of course ed would deny it had four shims or he had anything to do with it.

Hello.
I am Henry from Spain.
Please, first, sorry for my bad english if I not write perfect..

well...

I want to buy another engine as backup.
I race with a truggy jammin X2-CRT and a new OS V-spec and I am very happy with his power.

But I have a dude.
I have read about the trinity full modded , and I think that I like it.
But this new engine has the same power of OS V-spec or have more power on bottom and top end?

I don't want disturb anybody with this question, Only ask in this thread for answer my dudes, because I like this engine.

Thanks for all.

Has anyone tried the O.S. 2060 pipe with the .21 FM???

hows it work???

how can you work on an engine if you dont reply to emails? :lol:

Yes when Colby as me did pipe testing when the engines ware frist avable to us that is one of the frist pipes and it has a bad dead spot on the bottom end and just ok everyware alse we both recmond the extech 2056 baseball bat looking pipe it is buy far the best for the .21

hey chad or anyone that knows for sure what is the stock for 30 percent fuel shimming on the extech .24 seems to be some conflicts ...zixxer just wanting to make sure:lol::nod:but seriously what is it 1------2--------4------im pretty sure mine has one silver shim ...which is what eb said he put in them ....

chad told me today on the phone 2 silver shims on race prep model

extech FM 24
 

well I've made up my mind i'm getting the FM 24. Hopefully its' the factory mod and not the EB mod. Is there a way to tell the difference in the two. If I receive the EB version I'm sending it back. I don't want to go down that road... lol. :cry:

Please don't forgive me... I want to know if this engine it is more powerful than the Vspec, for change it.. :D:D

Hi All,

1) IF anyone has a problem with a Trinity engine whether it is a EB or new one. It has to come to us for warranty. Dont know why Ed posted that. He does not work for us anymore. If anyone decides to send him a engine since his departure from Trinity. I will not be able to replace or fix if something were to happen to it.


2) Shims

.21 Pre Run Head Shims = .038"
.21 fully Modified Head Shims = .028"
.24 Pre Run and .24 Fully Modified Head Shims = .020"

this is for 30% fuel


3) Bottomline - There are no more EB modified engines at the factory. We have not had them for a long time. I know Amain has purchased a lot of the 2.0 Extech's..

the .24 would be an excellent choice in your truggy. Our .24 is more powerful than a O.S.

Chad ,
I must say after being totally confused on which engine to buy i finally narrowed it down to vspec , extech or jpx 21. I read every post on this thread (took about 2 hours) & after seeing you reply to post & your good support after the sale it made my choice much easier. i ordered the full mod .21 last night & should be getting it soon. I do have a few questions. I was thinking of running byrons gen 2, 20% Since we run it in our grp.21. Would it be o.k.? What should i do as far as break in ? Thanks very much.

Hi Romax,

Thank you for Choosing Ex Tech.. I will help you in any way I can.

You can run 20%. You will need to remove 1 head shim.

The fully modified comes partially broken in.. I would run another 4-6 tanks rich before really laying in to it..

I still think you should run 30%.. for one, more power and two, will run cooler..

thanks again..

just got back from my brothers house I were running his rc8t with his new extech .21. It a great engine a lot of power from bottom to top cant wait to see what its like after a gallon and the right pipe he was running a jp-3 on it I'm still going to try the orion .21 in mine but if i dont like it i'm picking up this engine.:nod:

Chad , thanks for the fast reply . I'll switch to 30%. If i'm reading right it's allready set up for 30% correct?

romax - yes it is shimmed for 30%..