52LikesEuropean 2wd 1/8th pan car on-road Classic class
11-23-2009, 10:02 PM
#271
Tech Rookie
Hello everyone
We are pleasantly surprised to see you in classic.
It's great for our class.
If you have any questions about the settlement of our class
My level of English is bad but I have some knowledge to the technical words.
For the translation of "rocket" must translate spindle axle.
I hope you understand me ...
A soon to read
Sam
We are pleasantly surprised to see you in classic.
It's great for our class.
If you have any questions about the settlement of our class
My level of English is bad but I have some knowledge to the technical words.
For the translation of "rocket" must translate spindle axle.
I hope you understand me ...
A soon to read
Sam
11-24-2009, 03:45 AM
#272
Hello everyone
We are pleasantly surprised to see you in classic.
It's great for our class.
If you have any questions about the settlement of our class
My level of English is bad but I have some knowledge to the technical words.
For the translation of "rocket" must translate spindle axle.
I hope you understand me ...
A soon to read
Sam
We are pleasantly surprised to see you in classic.
It's great for our class.
If you have any questions about the settlement of our class
My level of English is bad but I have some knowledge to the technical words.
For the translation of "rocket" must translate spindle axle.
I hope you understand me ...
A soon to read
Sam
the US.
Thanks,
Dale
11-24-2009, 06:21 AM
#273
dear dale, thanks for your compliments !!
I come back about problem of diff. This element is the most important for a good setup and easy driving of pan car.
yes before in the past, we use balls diff, but we met always problems during race. Sometime need to remake it after qualification before the final (change the balls, washers). I remind we used white grease from Kyosho.
Now most of the car use gear balls and change grease depending of the track and traction. To get a harder rotation of it, we can mix "normal" grease + silicon 50 000 or 100 000 grade. Normally about 20% to 50% of silicon.
Stronger diff means more traction but also the driving will be less easy. In france we say : a diff for men !!!!!!!
If you have a soft diff and you lose traction after turning, it's possible also to modify some set-ups of the main plate. But I keep it secret in case of international races to be sure that french guy wins !!!
see you
I come back about problem of diff. This element is the most important for a good setup and easy driving of pan car.
yes before in the past, we use balls diff, but we met always problems during race. Sometime need to remake it after qualification before the final (change the balls, washers). I remind we used white grease from Kyosho.
Now most of the car use gear balls and change grease depending of the track and traction. To get a harder rotation of it, we can mix "normal" grease + silicon 50 000 or 100 000 grade. Normally about 20% to 50% of silicon.
Stronger diff means more traction but also the driving will be less easy. In france we say : a diff for men !!!!!!!
If you have a soft diff and you lose traction after turning, it's possible also to modify some set-ups of the main plate. But I keep it secret in case of international races to be sure that french guy wins !!!
see you
11-24-2009, 06:38 AM
#274
dear dale, thanks for your compliments !!
I come back about problem of diff. This element is the most important for a good setup and easy driving of pan car.
yes before in the past, we use balls diff, but we met always problems during race. Sometime need to remake it after qualification before the final (change the balls, washers). I remind we used white grease from Kyosho.
Now most of the car use gear balls and change grease depending of the track and traction. To get a harder rotation of it, we can mix "normal" grease + silicon 50 000 or 100 000 grade. Normally about 20% to 50% of silicon.
Stronger diff means more traction but also the driving will be less easy. In france we say : a diff for men !!!!!!!
If you have a soft diff and you lose traction after turning, it's possible also to modify some set-ups of the main plate. But I keep it secret in case of international races to be sure that french guy wins !!!
see you
I come back about problem of diff. This element is the most important for a good setup and easy driving of pan car.
yes before in the past, we use balls diff, but we met always problems during race. Sometime need to remake it after qualification before the final (change the balls, washers). I remind we used white grease from Kyosho.
Now most of the car use gear balls and change grease depending of the track and traction. To get a harder rotation of it, we can mix "normal" grease + silicon 50 000 or 100 000 grade. Normally about 20% to 50% of silicon.
Stronger diff means more traction but also the driving will be less easy. In france we say : a diff for men !!!!!!!
If you have a soft diff and you lose traction after turning, it's possible also to modify some set-ups of the main plate. But I keep it secret in case of international races to be sure that french guy wins !!!
see you
I remember having to rebuild the Diffs was necessary. I could usually start the race weekend with a fresh Ball diff. I could get thru practice and qualifying, then I would rebuild the diff for the main. Serpent produced their "PRO DIFF slipper type" for their 235mm 835 car. That Ball diff with the slipper disc was far superior to a standard ball diff. You could adjust the ball race fairly loose and adjust the slipper disc to set the slip. Ball and washer wear was greatly reduced.
You say a mixture of "standard grease and silicone" what kind of standard grease?
Oh....I promise not tell your set-up secrets!!!
Dale
11-24-2009, 08:58 AM
#275
i use only lithium grease for bearings like "CASTROL LMX" for soft diff, and add silicon oil 50 000 for modify stronger.
Never use silicon oil alone inside diff, because it don't have any power of lubrification.
you can change some setups on car for reduce the slipping of the rear wheels:
1/ modify the flexibility of the main plate : more hard by moving away the 2 central pillars on the DXF (beside the fuel tank).
2/ reduce front caster angle between 5 to 10°
In fact : more grip means diff more and more hard, and especially now with powerfull engine and centax clutch.
With the changing of these 2 setups, the car will be less easy for driving, but more efficient. To find the general right setup is more difficult with a pan car than 4x4. And one setup for track N°1 can be different than track N°2.
I hope to be clear ...
11-24-2009, 09:10 AM
#276
hello dale,
i use only lithium grease for bearings like "CASTROL LMX" for soft diff, and add silicon oil 50 000 for modify stronger.
Never use silicon oil alone inside diff, because it don't have any power of lubrification.
you can change some setups on car for reduce the slipping of the rear wheels:
1/ modify the flexibility of the main plate : more hard by moving away the 2 central pillars on the DXF (beside the fuel tank).
2/ reduce front caster angle between 5 to 10°
In fact : more grip means diff more and more hard, and especially now with powerfull engine and centax clutch.
With the changing of these 2 setups, the car will be less easy for driving, but more efficient. To find the general right setup is more difficult with a pan car than 4x4. And one setup for track N°1 can be different than track N°2.
I hope to be clear ...
i use only lithium grease for bearings like "CASTROL LMX" for soft diff, and add silicon oil 50 000 for modify stronger.
Never use silicon oil alone inside diff, because it don't have any power of lubrification.
you can change some setups on car for reduce the slipping of the rear wheels:
1/ modify the flexibility of the main plate : more hard by moving away the 2 central pillars on the DXF (beside the fuel tank).
2/ reduce front caster angle between 5 to 10°
In fact : more grip means diff more and more hard, and especially now with powerfull engine and centax clutch.
With the changing of these 2 setups, the car will be less easy for driving, but more efficient. To find the general right setup is more difficult with a pan car than 4x4. And one setup for track N°1 can be different than track N°2.
I hope to be clear ...
Thanks for the information, I will try it.
11-24-2009, 05:33 PM
#277
Motonica P8C build Front end
Motonica P8C build Front end pics
11-24-2009, 05:37 PM
#278
Motonica P8C build Front end part 2
Motonica P8C build Front end pics part 2
11-24-2009, 05:39 PM
#279
Motonica P8C build rear end
Motonica P8C build rear end pics
11-24-2009, 05:40 PM
#280
Motonica P8C build
Motonica P8C build mre pics
11-24-2009, 05:46 PM
#281
Motonica P8C build more pics 3
Motonica P8C build more pics 3
The car went together pretty easy. The diff set up is the hard part. See Didier's answer in a previous post above. I used a mixture of white lithium grease and 100,00 wt. silicone diff lube.
The car went together pretty easy. The diff set up is the hard part. See Didier's answer in a previous post above. I used a mixture of white lithium grease and 100,00 wt. silicone diff lube.
11-24-2009, 07:03 PM
#282
COOL DJ,....when can we expect a track report???..........may have to unloadone of my RC250's to get one of these.......
11-25-2009, 05:17 AM
#283
Just curious, is the upper brace made of carbon or is it a sandwich from frp and carbon?
11-25-2009, 09:36 AM
#284
11-25-2009, 10:27 AM
#285
thanks, the car looks very nice.
You said to set ride height you had to use shims. I still don't see it in the manual or in the building pictures that you made. Did you come across shims or something else in the box to set ride height?
Could any french drivers/manufacturers conclude how they designed the cars to set ride height? Seems trivial but it bugs me that there is nothing mentioning ride height adjustments?
You said to set ride height you had to use shims. I still don't see it in the manual or in the building pictures that you made. Did you come across shims or something else in the box to set ride height?
Could any french drivers/manufacturers conclude how they designed the cars to set ride height? Seems trivial but it bugs me that there is nothing mentioning ride height adjustments?