European 2wd 1/8th pan car on-road Classic class
#256
Tech Initiate
In fact 2WD classic never die out, specially in France, but it should have at the end of the 90's ! Fortunaly, when the 'big' brands such as PB, Serpent, Associated...stopped to manufacture this kind of models, 2 small manufacturers called Monaco Model and BRX continued the class and few guys, such as me, fight to pursue in the frenchchampionship in order to have enough people to practise. We were convinced that this class should have a future for rookie drivers and also for people who wanted to practise in an economical matter and that was the case.
Also, one thing important you must know is that this class is so simple that anyone is able to build its own model. That's also the idea we try to maintain in the rules you read in this post, even if it's possible to use parts from known manufacturers.
For about 4/5 years now, some people developped their own model then produced it as a small manufacturer. DXF is one example. And we can see 'big' brands that are now again interested to manufacture 2WD classic (SG Mantua, Serpent).
For Europe, Italy and France have a constant grow up of drivers in this class and it's only the beginning...of this old class
webclassic
#257
Tech Initiate
#258
Hi,
In fact 2WD classic never die out, specially in France, but it should have at the end of the 90's ! Fortunaly, when the 'big' brands such as PB, Serpent, Associated...stopped to manufacture this kind of models, 2 small manufacturers called Monaco Model and BRX continued the class and few guys, such as me, fight to pursue in the frenchchampionship in order to have enough people to practise. We were convinced that this class should have a future for rookie drivers and also for people who wanted to practise in an economical matter and that was the case.
Also, one thing important you must know is that this class is so simple that anyone is able to build its own model. That's also the idea we try to maintain in the rules you read in this post, even if it's possible to use parts from known manufacturers.
For about 4/5 years now, some people developped their own model then produced it as a small manufacturer. DXF is one example. And we can see 'big' brands that are now again interested to manufacture 2WD classic (SG Mantua, Serpent).
For Europe, Italy and France have a constant grow up of drivers in this class and it's only the beginning...of this old class
webclassic
In fact 2WD classic never die out, specially in France, but it should have at the end of the 90's ! Fortunaly, when the 'big' brands such as PB, Serpent, Associated...stopped to manufacture this kind of models, 2 small manufacturers called Monaco Model and BRX continued the class and few guys, such as me, fight to pursue in the frenchchampionship in order to have enough people to practise. We were convinced that this class should have a future for rookie drivers and also for people who wanted to practise in an economical matter and that was the case.
Also, one thing important you must know is that this class is so simple that anyone is able to build its own model. That's also the idea we try to maintain in the rules you read in this post, even if it's possible to use parts from known manufacturers.
For about 4/5 years now, some people developped their own model then produced it as a small manufacturer. DXF is one example. And we can see 'big' brands that are now again interested to manufacture 2WD classic (SG Mantua, Serpent).
For Europe, Italy and France have a constant grow up of drivers in this class and it's only the beginning...of this old class
webclassic
I really appreciate the French drivers for jumping in here on our forum.
Didier, Pierre, and DXF (I did not get your name), You are very welcome here.
I have met Didier through our email when I was buying the DXF Vortex car last month. Didier was a really good person to deal with. He did exactly what
he said would do and more.
I do have a question for the French racers: I am building the DXF car and a Motonica P8C, Both cars come with Gear type Diffs. When I last ran 2WD cars 15 years ago, Ball type diffs were prefered over Gear type diffs because of the ajustable tighness feature of the Ball diff. Back then when I tried a Gear diff, the car in a tight corner would lift the inside wheel off the track surface and all forward drive was lost momentarily. How do you set up the gear diff to fix this problem?
Dale Jones
#259
Tech Initiate
2WD non-suspension cars were run here in the Texas southwest Series until about 1993 when the 235 mm 2WD cars took over. We ran 2WD 1/8 suspension cars until about 2002 when the present 200 mm sedan class replaced the 1/8 2WD class.
I really appreciate the French drivers for jumping in here on our forum.
Didier, Pierre, and DXF (I did not get your name), You are very welcome here.
I have met Didier through our email when I was buying the DXF Vortex car last month. Didier was a really good person to deal with. He did exactly what
he said would do and more.
I really appreciate the French drivers for jumping in here on our forum.
Didier, Pierre, and DXF (I did not get your name), You are very welcome here.
I have met Didier through our email when I was buying the DXF Vortex car last month. Didier was a really good person to deal with. He did exactly what
he said would do and more.
I appreciate your welcome message to us. It was quitly the same for us here about the history you related.
Sorry if I don't answer your technical question now, because I'm still working now (3:00 PM here...) but I will take time this evening to try to explain as clear as possible the options taken by manufacturers about diff.
Have a pleasant day.
Webclassic
#260
If they are sealed like offroad gear diffs then you can fill them with different weights of silicone grease to adjust the diff action. Just like TC's too for that matter.
#261
to use 5000 wt. oil. I used 20,000 wt oil and the diff still is pretty loose. I'm thinking 50,000 wt. or even 100,000 wt. oil on a prepped track that has good traction.
Dale
#262
Tech Addict
Hello from France,
we usually don't run silicone oil in the gear diferential.
Most of time, it's some Molykote grease or, molybdenum grease.
WebClassic and DXF crew will answer you later with the good set up!!
The "Classic" series is re-growing because of the cost over a season, and because drivers fed-up with complex setting of supsnesions cars!!!
Au revoir
PS for French guys: au plaisir de vous accueillir à Toulouse en mars 2010!!!
we usually don't run silicone oil in the gear diferential.
Most of time, it's some Molykote grease or, molybdenum grease.
WebClassic and DXF crew will answer you later with the good set up!!
The "Classic" series is re-growing because of the cost over a season, and because drivers fed-up with complex setting of supsnesions cars!!!
Au revoir
PS for French guys: au plaisir de vous accueillir à Toulouse en mars 2010!!!
#263
Tech Initiate
Dale,
When will you be ready to run one of the cars? Saturday or Sunday after Thanksgiving? Maybe Santa will bring me one.
Coop
Sorry about the last race. I was really truing to stay our of your way!
When will you be ready to run one of the cars? Saturday or Sunday after Thanksgiving? Maybe Santa will bring me one.
Coop
Sorry about the last race. I was really truing to stay our of your way!
#264
I hope to have one of them done (maybe the Motonica) by then, If thanksgiving family stuff does not get in the way.
Dale
#266
#267
Tech Initiate
I do have a question for the French racers: I am building the DXF car and a Motonica P8C, Both cars come with Gear type Diffs. When I last ran 2WD cars 15 years ago, Ball type diffs were prefered over Gear type diffs because of the ajustable tighness feature of the Ball diff. Back then when I tried a Gear diff, the car in a tight corner would lift the inside wheel off the track surface and all forward drive was lost momentarily. How do you set up the gear diff to fix this problem?
Dale Jones
Dale Jones
That's also the pleasure of these cars to find the good set-up, and believe me, when you have it, it's a real pleasure to drive.
As an information, we have had a race this year in France named the 24h of Chateauroux and it was better to have a gear diff of course...
Here are few links to watch videos about this event :
youtube.com/watch?v=wqvEUqHzJVs
youtube.com/watch?v=_SBgoQgGWjg
youtube.com/watch?v=6j_eHngMw0M
youtube.com/watch?v=4fLcLxs6c64
youtube.com/watch?v=EkXQh9J7LDg
#268
#269
#270
Seems like a Torsen diff, that all the off road guys seem to dislike, might be the hot ticket for this. The last time I drove 2WD, Torsens were pretty much unheard of for RC applications.