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InitialD 03-15-2004 02:05 AM


Originally posted by markp27
Let me guess, it has vanished :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Jedi mind tricks at work again ! :nod: :lol:

GoldFinger 03-15-2004 02:08 AM

Just wanna share with you guys.
Yesterday was our 1st regional(state/province) TC race, I found the biggest-traction setup for rear, on my local track of course.
Using shortest upper arm UBO and LT lower arm,
4.5 camber,
+2deg Toe in,
40R / 37F tire, Trinity Shock oil 60 and 3 hole all around.
lowest DRS arm(no spacer below arm),
100% diff lock.

Stock setup in front, except
6mm (caster) in front.
-1 camber
+1 toe in

Track is quite damp, whole night heavy rain totally clean the track.
I start the practice with Romeo 2.1 shell, after 2nd tanks my car and track is start to hooked up. Bit understeer (with 100% steering DR) in the sweeper but perfect in all corner, change to Mazda 6 and Bang!! my lap times in only .5 slower than last month Lola race.
1st heat, I lower the shore 35F/37R, best lap still the same.
2nd heat, put back 37F/40R and change to 0 front toe, feels better but still same lap times.
3rd heat, same with 2nd heat but adding more FR camber 2(outside) and 1.5 inside and the car is in best condition. And lower the lap times almost .2 second than 2nd heat.

There is downside to obtain those rear setup using GQ tire and maintain 200m trackwidth
- must use Impact dogbone
- must cut the upper arm 1.5-2mm shorter, coz it hits rear hub.
But the car is able to handle my MAX to the limit.

Give it a try....

InitialD 03-15-2004 02:08 AM


Originally posted by cyba888
Do you think changing to blue springs will help with the car not flipping?
Perhaps... Hey cyba, could you post your setup? Perhaps we could give better and more direct suggestions with regards to your setup.

I have personally found that softer springs work very well with the car even on moderate to high speed tracks. The car does not roll much. I guess the car is pretty light and nimble enough to use soft spring setup. My 2 cents.

GoldFinger 03-15-2004 02:12 AM

Re: Diff Balls
 

Originally posted by crashed_1
What's the size of the 710 diff balls?...anyone?



:spidey:

4mm, pls let me know if find where to buy ceramic / nitride balls.
Thanks

cyba888 03-15-2004 02:16 AM


Originally posted by InitialD
Perhaps... Hey cyba, could you post your setup? Perhaps we could give better and more direct suggestions with regards to your setup.

I have personally found that softer springs work very well with the car even on moderate to high speed tracks. The car does not roll much. I guess the car is pretty light and nimble enough to use soft spring setup. My 2 cents.

I havent received my setup board yet so the last time I setup my car was at the track using their setup station. Im using stock setup from the manual. The only thing I did was raise the DRS position to upper.

InitialD 03-15-2004 02:21 AM


Originally posted by GoldFinger
Using shortest upper arm UBO and LT lower arm,
I've used this for a while now and I like it.:nod:


Originally posted by GoldFinger
lowest DRS arm(no spacer below arm),
I guess this makes for very stable car when the car is on power.


Originally posted by GoldFinger
+1 toe in
I assume that is toe out?


Originally posted by GoldFinger
There is downside to obtain those rear setup using GQ tire and maintain 200m trackwidth
- must use Impact dogbone
- must cut the upper arm 1.5-2mm shorter, coz it hits rear hub.

Are you using offset GQ tires? Perhaps the 1 mm shorter Impact dogbones on each side will work fine but I do not find any problem when I go down to 197 mm trackwidth in the rear with the current stock dogbones. The pivot ball at the upper rear arms need to go in max but without binding the edge of the arms. Camber is -3.5 and -3. Perhaps with -4.5 camber, it would be more difficult to keep the rear trackwidth to below 200 mm.

cyba888 03-15-2004 02:26 AM

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Was out with a friend the other day and guess what I saw! A nice public race track :D I heard it was just built so I might give it a try sometimes. The only downside is you need to bring your own table and chairs. The lights are on until midnight which is good for late night racers :) I guess you cant complain since its free. Its hard to tell from above but it looks like its smooth hight bite surface. Its twice as big as Silver Stone track that I usually race at. It has a huge oval track which is cool and the staights are just amazing. Definately can test out the top speed on my 710 :) Here is a pic of the left side of the track. Sorry for the pic quality but I only had my camera phone at the time.

cyba888 03-15-2004 02:28 AM

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Definately a 1/8th scale dream track since its so dam big. Here is the right side of the track.

Julius 03-15-2004 02:37 AM


Originally posted by cyba888
I havent received my setup board yet so the last time I setup my car was at the track using their setup station. Im using stock setup from the manual. The only thing I did was raise the DRS position to upper.
The DRS could also be part of the problem. With the arm in the upper position you'll get more steering into corners but less rear grip, which could cause the rolling problems.

BaxterC 03-15-2004 02:42 AM

Hi guys, please would you tell me the difference between ceramic bearing and normal, and also why one would want titanium screws on a cal? Have any of you actually bent or broken a screw? I am a little confused as to why one would want such strong screws...

cyba888 03-15-2004 02:45 AM


Originally posted by Julius
The DRS could also be part of the problem. With the arm in the upper position you'll get more steering into corners but less rear grip, which could cause the rolling problems.
Thanks...ill look into that ;)

Herbie 03-15-2004 02:46 AM

titanium
 
Those screws are stronger and lighter so you save some overall weight to even balance your car better to add weight where you want it the most.

BaxterC 03-15-2004 02:48 AM

AH, I see thank you herbie... I want to order my car now....... I must wait another 13 days....

cyba888 03-15-2004 02:54 AM

Dino... are you aware of the new track?

cyba888 03-15-2004 02:56 AM

Im looking into buying a second car kit. Anyone know who has the newest batch of the 710'? Besides the new 3.5mm shock tower will there be even a newer batch with the stonger bumpers and other goodies that Rene mentioned that they might fix in the future? :sneaky:


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