GT class--buggy-based on road!
#2161
Very well stated. Potentially how many more racers will show up at the track twice a month or more racing GT class cars? To attrace new purchasers/racers the low cost/cheapest components will not keep people purchasing the product.
The next manufacturer in the GT class field will need to have equal or better reliability than the existing players. Right now it would be tough for a third company to commit to a product.
The next manufacturer in the GT class field will need to have equal or better reliability than the existing players. Right now it would be tough for a third company to commit to a product.
#2162
Tech Apprentice
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The problem is keeping the class cheap and equally competitive.
When and if more manufactures offer more cars or hopped up cars then the class begins to divide even more.
What are your local tracks / clubs running for classes?
Do they allow:
-2 speed mods or swaps?
-replacement engine $ limit or specific motors?
-can you replace the chassis with a lightweight?
-can you upgrade to carbon fiber parts?
At what point does the class divide?
When and if more manufactures offer more cars or hopped up cars then the class begins to divide even more.
What are your local tracks / clubs running for classes?
Do they allow:
-2 speed mods or swaps?
-replacement engine $ limit or specific motors?
-can you replace the chassis with a lightweight?
-can you upgrade to carbon fiber parts?
At what point does the class divide?
#2163
Tech Elite
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There are other companies that produce 1/8 onroad cars. It's just that Kyosho and OFNA have a bigger stake in it. So, those will be the first two companies that comes to mind when thinking 1/8 GT. But as Chris put it. The demand has to be there in order to make a profit. And there is no doubt in my mind that Associated(or any other major company) could build and market a 1/8 onroad car. Based on what Kyohso and OFNA have already done to make their buggies into GT cars.
The problem is keeping the class cheap and equally competitive.
When and if more manufactures offer more cars or hopped up cars then the class begins to divide even more.
What are your local tracks / clubs running for classes?
Do they allow:
-2 speed mods or swaps?
-replacement engine $ limit or specific motors?
-can you replace the chassis with a lightweight?
-can you upgrade to carbon fiber parts?
At what point does the class divide?
When and if more manufactures offer more cars or hopped up cars then the class begins to divide even more.
What are your local tracks / clubs running for classes?
Do they allow:
-2 speed mods or swaps?
-replacement engine $ limit or specific motors?
-can you replace the chassis with a lightweight?
-can you upgrade to carbon fiber parts?
At what point does the class divide?
Honestly, with the 'midwestern' system, a lot of expense is removed from the class BUT I can see where tires could become quite an expense - and with that I think that a 'spec' tire would be a good idea (and of course, that brings WHICH tire to the question of the hour status!).
I really hope that this class can remain with the mindset that to prosper there has to be some cost effective constraints placed upon it. Certainly 'rules' that are hard to tech and enforce should NOT be the case but truthfully, history tells us that those who want to 'cheat' or bend rules will find a way!
#2164
re: spec tire
thinking out loud here - why limit a tire when a particular type works on one track and a completely different one works on another. Unless we are sure that each car can be adjusted to work with a "spec" tire at most locations - it might just eliminate a brand of car from being competitive. A dollar cap might work better
to better clarify - I was talking - rubber only. I have heard talk about only allowing the OFNA pre-mount rubber slicks at one track. I think just keeping it rubber.
to better clarify - I was talking - rubber only. I have heard talk about only allowing the OFNA pre-mount rubber slicks at one track. I think just keeping it rubber.
Last edited by rsperson; 06-18-2009 at 08:56 PM.
#2165
Tech Fanatic
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Personally after owning an IGT since its birth(lol) I feel we should only limit tire selection (rubber only). I have placed several motors on my GT from high end on road novarossi (plus 35) to beat up buggie mills and I believe that of all cars the Inferno is the most fun and realistic. Horsepower is only good on the longest straight, gearing selection, tire choice ,engine tune, set up and luck play into the outcome of any heat. Fundamentally the K car has some flaws, the 2 speed, the stock motor the price and availability of those beautiful bodies , but thats why IGT drivers love them.
RC and affordable dont belong in the same sentence, upgrade ,hop up, mod will cost you thats why the class has caught on limiting motor$$ sounds good but a newbie rather spend money on a new motor (LRP .28) $179 than $125 on a transponder.
Let the class live without limits just keep the rubber tires
RC and affordable dont belong in the same sentence, upgrade ,hop up, mod will cost you thats why the class has caught on limiting motor$$ sounds good but a newbie rather spend money on a new motor (LRP .28) $179 than $125 on a transponder.
Let the class live without limits just keep the rubber tires
#2166
For those of you with Kyosho IGT2 cars looking for the Ipanema Black Hawk EVO Transmission conversion kits, give Richie a call at Brooklyn Hobbies.
He has several in stock and available right now.
http://www.brooklynhobbies.com
Good Luck to all!
www.ipanemasports.com
He has several in stock and available right now.
http://www.brooklynhobbies.com
Good Luck to all!
www.ipanemasports.com
#2167
A guy at the track I race with said that Kyosho has re-called the IGT2, because of a bad -O- ring on the highspeed needle. He said the -O- ring shrinks and leaks nitro. Has anyone had this problem, or seen any strange behavior in the stock engine?
#2168
Tech Master
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replacement engine suggestion
Looking for some feedback from people that have some first hand experience with some of different IGT engines.
We have a descent GT series, and my second Kyosho stock engine let go (main bearing) yesterday. Looking for a replacment.
Mainly, I'm looking for a reliable, durable engine first...performance second. We have a cool track with a technical infield and a nice long straight, so both torque and RPM based motors do pretty good.
We're running backwards in this vid, but you get the idea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGWwelLs1oE
Basically, here's the list of approved engines for our GT class. Need to maintain stock internals, and retain pullstart. I plan on running the stock Kyosho pipe, but all pipes are legal...and I have a few I could run.
1. Kyosho: GXR28SG
2. Kyosho: GXR28 (KYO74025)
3. Dynamite: .28 (DYN0890)
4. Dynamite: Mach 2 Monster .28 (DYN0992)
5. Ofna: .28 Force (OFN52217)
6. XTM: PTH 2802
7. Axial: .28 RR (AX0330)
8. Axial: .28 Spec (AX001)
9. Axial: .28 Spec (AX002)
10. Ofna: Hyper .28 (OFN 53220)
Any personal feedback on these engines (positive or negative) would be greatly appreciated.
regards-
Eric
We have a descent GT series, and my second Kyosho stock engine let go (main bearing) yesterday. Looking for a replacment.
Mainly, I'm looking for a reliable, durable engine first...performance second. We have a cool track with a technical infield and a nice long straight, so both torque and RPM based motors do pretty good.
We're running backwards in this vid, but you get the idea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGWwelLs1oE
Basically, here's the list of approved engines for our GT class. Need to maintain stock internals, and retain pullstart. I plan on running the stock Kyosho pipe, but all pipes are legal...and I have a few I could run.
1. Kyosho: GXR28SG
2. Kyosho: GXR28 (KYO74025)
3. Dynamite: .28 (DYN0890)
4. Dynamite: Mach 2 Monster .28 (DYN0992)
5. Ofna: .28 Force (OFN52217)
6. XTM: PTH 2802
7. Axial: .28 RR (AX0330)
8. Axial: .28 Spec (AX001)
9. Axial: .28 Spec (AX002)
10. Ofna: Hyper .28 (OFN 53220)
Any personal feedback on these engines (positive or negative) would be greatly appreciated.
regards-
Eric
#2169
Eric,
I've been running the stock Ofna Force .28 at LHR. It's got pretty good power but the tune is a bit finicky and its kind of on thirsty side. It could be just the one I have or I need a bit more tuning time with the engine. I believe the kyosho pipe screws onto the engine? The Force .28 uses more of a traditional buggy pipe with a spring to hold it on.
I have taken my engine up to 320*F and thought it was done for. I'm still running the same one and I was getting 240*F at the end of a qualifier and 260*F at the end of the main. It was my fault though that I flamed out during both my pit stops as I did a last minute adjustment and came into the pits with the tank bone dry at 5mins.
I believe Mark was running the Axial .28 RR and Bernie told me he swapped engines for the 3rd round of qualifing to the Force .28.
-Dave
I've been running the stock Ofna Force .28 at LHR. It's got pretty good power but the tune is a bit finicky and its kind of on thirsty side. It could be just the one I have or I need a bit more tuning time with the engine. I believe the kyosho pipe screws onto the engine? The Force .28 uses more of a traditional buggy pipe with a spring to hold it on.
I have taken my engine up to 320*F and thought it was done for. I'm still running the same one and I was getting 240*F at the end of a qualifier and 260*F at the end of the main. It was my fault though that I flamed out during both my pit stops as I did a last minute adjustment and came into the pits with the tank bone dry at 5mins.
I believe Mark was running the Axial .28 RR and Bernie told me he swapped engines for the 3rd round of qualifing to the Force .28.
-Dave
#2172
Tech Adept
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Losi L8ight Model...
My local track will allow me to run a Losi L8ight model converted to a GT style. Has anyone done this? Also what is the negative to not have a two speed tranny and having center diff. I was thinking that a 16 tooth clutch bell would help it down the straights...What do you think? Also any clue on what bodies will fit a Losi L8ight Model??? Thanks for the help....Mike
#2173
Mark and I both took out the axial. gas hogs. I got 5 minutes run time
#2174
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My local track will allow me to run a Losi L8ight model converted to a GT style. Has anyone done this? Also what is the negative to not have a two speed tranny and having center diff. I was thinking that a 16 tooth clutch bell would help it down the straights...What do you think? Also any clue on what bodies will fit a Losi L8ight Model??? Thanks for the help....Mike
When I switched it over to Electric, the single speed was simple and fast with great performance.
#2175
Tech Adept
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1. Kyosho: GXR28SG
2. Kyosho: GXR28 (KYO74025)
3. Dynamite: .28 (DYN0890)
4. Dynamite: Mach 2 Monster .28 (DYN0992)
5. Ofna: .28 Force (OFN52217)
6. XTM: PTH 2802
7. Axial: .28 RR (AX0330)
8. Axial: .28 Spec (AX001)
9. Axial: .28 Spec (AX002)
10. Ofna: Hyper .28 (OFN 53220)
2. Kyosho: GXR28 (KYO74025)
3. Dynamite: .28 (DYN0890)
4. Dynamite: Mach 2 Monster .28 (DYN0992)
5. Ofna: .28 Force (OFN52217)
6. XTM: PTH 2802
7. Axial: .28 RR (AX0330)
8. Axial: .28 Spec (AX001)
9. Axial: .28 Spec (AX002)
10. Ofna: Hyper .28 (OFN 53220)
I personally have the Picco P3 .28 It is a BEAST! Once I tuned it, I haven't touched it since. I would highly recommend this motor from what I have gotten from it. HOWEVER the other one as previously suggested is the LRP spec 3 .28. I have also heard ALOT of people use this and it is a very good engine as well from what I hear, I have not personally used the LRP. Again IF the rule is sub 200$ i would look into these 2 first. If the list is restricted to what is above. I am no help sorry.