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Old 03-25-2022 | 11:14 AM
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After reading your posts, it seems you are concerned about bending your chassis. It doesn’t really matter which truck you get, if you lawn dart it hard enough, your gonna bend the chassis. Some trucks come stock with slightly stronger/better chassis materials/bracing than others. All it takes is one bad lawn dart of a landing to bend ANY of them. Even an M2C chassis. The key is to just run what ya got, break it, fix it, and do it again!😎 The more you do it, the better you’ll get at it. I hate to say it, but the new Traxxas Sledge appears to have a very strong chassis setup. Only time will tell how good or bad it really is. I watched a YouTuber lawn dart it really hard several times in the same video. Afterwards it was checked with a straight edge and showed no bending.
Oh thats odd because Ive seen plenty of people bend it already. The Sledge does seem like a fairly strong truck but theres no getting around the fact that it uses 6061 aluminum and for $800 it feels like a ripoff. It foes look like an overall unique design though.

Not that it personally matters to me. No matter how good any Traxxas ever gets I will never buy one. I would rather not be a part of the hobby at all than support the company that has attempted time and time again to destroy any and all competition on the market and will probably continue doing so forever.

Supporting Traxxas is literally supporting the end of this hobby and unfortunately at this time there is no argument against that and thats just sad. Until they make amends in some way, I won't be purchasing anything from them. Haven't owned one for 15 years anyways.

But regardless the new truck is nowhere near as strong as the Maxx or X-Maxx. Those two are still in the lead for now as far as Traxxas is concerned.
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Oh thats odd because Ive seen plenty of people bend it already. The Sledge does seem like a fairly strong truck but theres no getting around the fact that it uses 6061 aluminum and for $800 it feels like a ripoff. It foes look like an overall unique design though.

Not that it personally matters to me. No matter how good any Traxxas ever gets I will never buy one. I would rather not be a part of the hobby at all than support the company that has attempted time and time again to destroy any and all competition on the market and will probably continue doing so forever.

Supporting Traxxas is literally supporting the end of this hobby and unfortunately at this time there is no argument against that and thats just sad. Until they make amends in some way, I won't be purchasing anything from them. Haven't owned one for 15 years anyways.

But regardless the new truck is nowhere near as strong as the Maxx or X-Maxx. Those two are still in the lead for now as far as Traxxas is concerned.
WOW! Hate Traxxas much?! Lol! I wasn’t saying,”buy a Traxxas”. Just pointing out that you can discuss who has the best chassis all day long. In the end, they are all bendable. As far as designs go, nobody has made anything that’s unbreakable. I’m no Traxxas fanboy. They threatened Arrma over the Nero, a truck I have, and so it quit being produced. That pissed me off. Corally hasn’t made anything special. It’s just another truggy. No stronger or better than a Kraton, Sledge, Tekno, or any other brand truggy.
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WOW! Hate Traxxas much?! Lol! I wasn’t saying,”buy a Traxxas”. Just pointing out that you can discuss who has the best chassis all day long. In the end, they are all bendable. As far as designs go, nobody has made anything that’s unbreakable. I’m no Traxxas fanboy. They threatened Arrma over the Nero, a truck I have, and so it quit being produced. That pissed me off. Corally hasn’t made anything special. It’s just another truggy. No stronger or better than a Kraton, Sledge, Tekno, or any other brand truggy.
Your point? Everyone has their opinions, my opinion happens to be that you should never buy from Traxxas. Seems you somewhat agree with that opinion anyways. And they didn't just threaten just so you know, they won the lawsuit, this is why the Nero had to be taken off the market. They also won the suits against HPI Racing and Losi. The only one Im not sure of is their most recent one against Maclan Racing.

Many people regard the Traxxas lawsuits as one of the main reasons why each company was sold to Horizon. Its already an expensive and still fairly niche hobby and those companies couldn't afford the fines and negative publicity and were forced to give up and sell out.

Of course this isn't just my opinion, many others agree, and others have even boycotted Traxxas the same way I have: https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...oycott-Traxxas

I mean producing a monster truggy comparable to the Arrma Kraton EXB and the Tekno ET48 2.0 is no small feat. I think its an excellent truck. I just want the piece of mind of a stronger chassis available. A chassis bending can completely destroy the entire truck.

Bend the chassis at the bulkhead and ull probably break said bulkhead resulting in the diff coming loose and stripping the crown and input gears. Bend it in the middle and you are likely to bend the driveshafts and destroy the center diff out-drives or possibly the spur gear as is backs away from the motor and strips out. You can dent your motor can and wreck your motor, or break the tower-to-tower brace.

Basically, for a flat-chassis RC to be strong, that chassis must be the strongest part on the truck, and yet for some reason everyone seems to be producing the opposite of that. A Kraton EXB turns into an absolute tank as soon as you slap an M2C Chassis on it and fix the Diffs, pretty much proving my point.

Im sure its to save on manufacturing costs, but I would happily pay $499.99 or even a bit more for a Corally Kronos XTR with a 4mm 7075 chassis already installed from the factory, even if it isn't the same level of engineering as M2C Racing.

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But, some people have already bent the chassis and so the question has to be asked - why didn't they just go with 4mm on the chassis? Literally 1mm more material and Im sure it would be fine for basically everyone. Of course it did take a fair bit of force on the chassis for those people to bend it but the jumps weren't that high - under 20 feet in all cases, probably closer to 15 feet or so.
If you want a 4mm chassis and to run packs of backflips without breaking, just buy an MT8 and some Tekno rods. No edits in this video, just straight running. I count 17 consecutive backflips with a double frontflip for variety.

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If you want a 4mm chassis and to run packs of backflips without breaking, just buy an MT8 and some Tekno rods. No edits in this video, just straight running. I count 17 consecutive backflips with a double frontflip for variety.
Seems like a nice new truck, I heard about it a few months ago and then it got delayed or something? Not sure what happened but apparently its out now.

Sounds pretty awesome. I do usually prefer my Monster Truggies for the handling but the MT8 seems like a bunch of fun, Ill have to consider it 👍
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Old 03-26-2022 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Micah78
WOW! Hate Traxxas much?! Lol! I wasn’t saying,”buy a Traxxas”. Just pointing out that you can discuss who has the best chassis all day long. In the end, they are all bendable. As far as designs go, nobody has made anything that’s unbreakable. I’m no Traxxas fanboy. They threatened Arrma over the Nero, a truck I have, and so it quit being produced. That pissed me off. Corally hasn’t made anything special. It’s just another truggy. No stronger or better than a Kraton, Sledge, Tekno, or any other brand truggy.
He's not alone in that sentiment and it amazes me that Traxass haven't had a go at all the manufacturers for using wheels that are round like theirs!

I'll not want to go into too much detail here, but I looked into this years ago and my conclusion is Traxass have operated in a morally reprehensible way - using legal technicalities to the detriment of the competition and unfortunately, the hobby as a whole. And no - that isn't just business, it's something else entirely different.

For me knowing this, I couldn't happily go out and buy a Traxass MT - it just wouldn't sit right - immaterial of how good the product is/isn't.

That being said, I wouldn't extend that sentiment to people that do buy and enjoy Traxass products, the vast majority of whom probably have no idea about all the BS that's occurred - or even if they do - refuse to allow it to interfere with their buying choices in relation to their leisure activities. That's their choice.

However, for the avoidance of doubt, please see this:


So if you sell too much online, or stock other brands - this can happen.

It's precisely the reason why Losi, Arrma, Corally, Tekno, AE, etc need to pull rank and support each other in the face of such hostile actions. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that there's healthy competition between the other brands, but I feel that some collaboration would go a long way too.

Also, a concept that many people miss is that it's not that Traxass even 'win' the absurd cases they start - the legal costs to fight the false patent claims are so high that companies like HPI didn't even try to fight it. They just settled instead and the company was subsequently carved up into the much smaller brand we see now.
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Went ahead and contacted M2C last night regarding a possible future chassis for the XTR out of curiosity, they responded this morning.

They replied in an email saying basically that they are closely watching the progress of the popularity of the XTR.

I would assume this means if the truck becomes popular enough, they will make a chassis for it. Other parts - probably not unless it becomes EXTREMELY popular like the Arrmas. However I would say at the rate things are going, there is a fairly good chance of eventually getting a 4mm Chassis for it from M2C, so long as the popularity growth continues.



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Oh hey look at that, Basherqueen even make a spacer for the motor mount so you can fit a 4985 motor with ease. Absolutely epic, i may just end up picking up this truck soon 🙂

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Originally Posted by wallacengineeri
Oh hey look at that, Basherqueen even make a spacer for the motor mount so you can fit a 4985 motor with ease. Absolutely epic, i may just end up picking up this truck soon 🙂

https://youtu.be/z7n3zR9yQ18
People had been 'notching' the chassis guards to put in big block motors. These risers prevent all that.

However, the corally motor package is just bonkers as is. I can't imagine how anyone needs more power or torque when you can already do standing back flips.

Mine so far hasn't been running overly hot either.
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Put the XTR through it's paces on grass this afternoon. It's a fairly bumpy surface, with natural mounds so caught some air, but nothing mental.

I'm super impressed with this awesome truck. I flipped it a couple of times under deceleration, so I'm still getting used to the brakes on grass, however, nothing broke.

Grass clippings got into the ESC though, so I could imagine that being a pain in the arse.

This is definitely a class that should be raced. So much fun.
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He's not alone in that sentiment and it amazes me that Traxass haven't had a go at all the manufacturers for using wheels that are round like theirs!

I'll not want to go into too much detail here, but I looked into this years ago and my conclusion is Traxass have operated in a morally reprehensible way - using legal technicalities to the detriment of the competition and unfortunately, the hobby as a whole. And no - that isn't just business, it's something else entirely different.

For me knowing this, I couldn't happily go out and buy a Traxass MT - it just wouldn't sit right - immaterial of how good the product is/isn't.

That being said, I wouldn't extend that sentiment to people that do buy and enjoy Traxass products, the vast majority of whom probably have no idea about all the BS that's occurred - or even if they do - refuse to allow it to interfere with their buying choices in relation to their leisure activities. That's their choice.

However, for the avoidance of doubt, please see this:


So if you sell too much online, or stock other brands - this can happen.

It's precisely the reason why Losi, Arrma, Corally, Tekno, AE, etc need to pull rank and support each other in the face of such hostile actions. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that there's healthy competition between the other brands, but I feel that some collaboration would go a long way too.

Also, a concept that many people miss is that it's not that Traxass even 'win' the absurd cases they start - the legal costs to fight the false patent claims are so high that companies like HPI didn't even try to fight it. They just settled instead and the company was subsequently carved up into the much smaller brand we see now.
The Hobby Fever situation is a prime example of why you should never rely on one supplier or brand for your business. That entire situation could have easily been avoided had they not been sucking on the Traxxas teat so much.


It will take some time before the aftermarket companies start making stuff for the Corally platform, remember it is only a little over 2 years old at this point in time. The Arrma Typhon 6s was first released in the fall of 2014. When I bought my Outcast in 2017 we had GKA, Voltage Hobbies, Hot Racing, Markhor and M3 Germany. Gpm released some parts a few months after I bought my Outcast. It took nearly 4 years for an aftermarket chassis to become available, pretty sure it was mid-late 2018 when M2C released their first chassis.
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The Hobby Fever situation is a prime example of why you should never rely on one supplier or brand for your business. That entire situation could have easily been avoided had they not been sucking on the Traxxas teat so much.
Or even at all!

It will take some time before the aftermarket companies start making stuff for the Corally platform, remember it is only a little over 2 years old at this point in time. The Arrma Typhon 6s was first released in the fall of 2014. When I bought my Outcast in 2017 we had GKA, Voltage Hobbies, Hot Racing, Markhor and M3 Germany. Gpm released some parts a few months after I bought my Outcast. It took nearly 4 years for an aftermarket chassis to become available, pretty sure it was mid-late 2018 when M2C released their first chassis.
I look forward to the after market parts for the XTR. Not that there's much I'd feel like changing.

The truck handles great, jumps well and has a terrific turn of speed on 6s on the corally esc/motor.

Despite my truck having had a few tumbles today, no breaks, no hubs popping off or anything bad. Just truggy like handling and massive power on 6S.
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Or even at all!



I look forward to the after market parts for the XTR. Not that there's much I'd feel like changing.

The truck handles great, jumps well and has a terrific turn of speed on 6s on the corally esc/motor.

Despite my truck having had a few tumbles today, no breaks, no hubs popping off or anything bad. Just truggy like handling and massive power on 6S.
Well from what M2C Racing told me in their reply email, they are only really considering a chassis at this point. It honestly makes sense because the extremely narrow neck areas on the XTR's chassis are definitely its biggest weak spot by far.

If anything, the only other part that's in real need of an overhaul is the shock stand-offs. They are known to break off quite easily if you land upside-down even once. The other small things like steering link ends have already been solved. Some people replace them with Arrma Kraton EXB ends and its far tougher.
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Well from what M2C Racing told me in their reply email, they are only really considering a chassis at this point. It honestly makes sense because the extremely narrow neck areas on the XTR's chassis are definitely its biggest weak spot by far.

If anything, the only only part that's in real need of an overhaul is the shock stand-offs. They are known to break off quite easily if you land upside-down even once. The other small things like steering link ends have already been solved. Some people replace them with Arrma Kraton EXB ends and its far tougher.
The chassis is only 3mm thick, which for a 4hp truck and at this weight and speed is surely going to result in XTR's folded in half.

That being said, the way I use my truck, with normal jumping and the occasional roll over etc - nothing is broken. Or bent. It's perfectly alright.

It's purely down to how you want to run the truck and how much heavier you need to make it to cope with the abuse you intend to put it through.
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The chassis is only 3mm thick, which for a 4hp truck and at this weight and speed is surely going to result in XTR's folded in half.

That being said, the way I use my truck, with normal jumping and the occasional roll over etc - nothing is broken. Or bent. It's perfectly alright.

It's purely down to how you want to run the truck and how much heavier you need to make it to cope with the abuse you intend to put it through.
Agreed. Pretty much all I would want is an M2C 4mm chassis, better shock stand-offs, and the better Kraton EXB TurnBuckle Ends. Im sure those few parts will make it tough enough for some pretty extreme bashing like what is shown in the promotional video by Team Corally. At that point I would be completely satisfied with the truck. I just want it to last the same way you can make a Kraton EXB last with the right parts and tuning.

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