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Herrsavage 04-14-2020 08:33 AM

Very nice.. Nice to see a clean LST.. Is that not an LST2? I always remember the original LST arms looking really skinny..

I took my ancient LST2 out last week, and it - unlike my RC8T and SC8 - simply would not start. No fuel leaking anywhere, I could see fuel going through the tube to the carb.The truck is pretty filthy and oily and grimy, so I may have to go pull the tank and replace the fuel tubing...

The AE cars ran perfectly.. All on 4- or 5-year old fuel...

BTW, I had a Big Red and it was great. The LRP ZR.30X converted to Spinstart was the best ever though...

I sold my OG LST2 from '06, but kept the LRP 30 and still have my #2 LST2. So I may just try swapping engines...

FWIW, I used to have a couple of Sportwerks 26s and they were identical to the Mach 26 afaik... Amain also had a red Mach 26 I believe..

I love that blue LST2 body.. I used to want one but they were always silly expensive...

Do they still have LRP 28 Spec 3s? Or did they ever come out with a 28 Spec 4? I looked on Amain and only saw a 32....

Losi215 04-14-2020 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Herrsavage (Post 15624554)
Very nice.. Nice to see a clean LST.. Is that not an LST2? I always remember the original LST arms looking really skinny..

I took my ancient LST2 out last week, and it - unlike my RC8T and SC8 - simply would not start. No fuel leaking anywhere, I could see fuel going through the tube to the carb.The truck is pretty filthy and oily and grimy, so I may have to go pull the tank and replace the fuel tubing...

The AE cars ran perfectly.. All on 4- or 5-year old fuel...

BTW, I had a Big Red and it was great. The LRP ZR.30X converted to Spinstart was the best ever though...

I sold my OG LST2 from '06, but kept the LRP 30 and still have my #2 LST2. So I may just try swapping engines...

FWIW, I used to have a couple of Sportwerks 26s and they were identical to the Mach 26 afaik... Amain also had a red Mach 26 I believe..

I love that blue LST2 body.. I used to want one but they were always silly expensive...

Do they still have LRP 28 Spec 3s? Or did they ever come out with a 28 Spec 4? I looked on Amain and only saw a 32....

herrsavage, thanks I appreciate the kind words! I’m almost positive I have an LST, I bought it from eBay as a roller. Maybe it has Lst2 arms installed? I read your other thread about the old fuel and trucks it was Awesome. I’ll read more about the big red engines, on Amain they have a .26 and a .28, but deep down I want a nova 28-8 pullstart version. I got the body on eBay for 75$ plus shipping, was a pretty penny and now I’m afraid to run it whenever I get the truck up and running lol! I think they have a couple different lrps on sites other then Amain, but the one I always hear about is the .32. I’ve heard really good things about the engine and I’ve also heard really worrisome things about it( poor carb,burrs in the ports and metal fragments from the factory) basically just some poor quality control issues. But it’s good to hear feedback from someone that’s ran all the engines I’ve thought about running in the LST. I’m about to be 30 years old and I’ve ran everything from a Traxxas pro .15, Trx 2.5s, Sirios, os, Rb concept ws72(badass), stock team associated and Ofna engines over the years, and I can never recall having a defective or poor running motor ever so maybe it’s all a lack of skill with the people bashing lrp engines. Anyways thanks for checking out the the thread everyone, you’ve all been a big help in helping me Improve my wrenching skills and motivation in getting this truck running. Much gratitude and more pictures to come...probably tonight.

Losi215 04-14-2020 03:43 PM

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...430f6642d.jpeg
I got my 3 shoe clutch set up
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...ee4673870.jpeg
Eco power 1200mah 5 cell
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...8b66cde64.jpeg
New switch installed!

snowman49 04-14-2020 04:33 PM

Looking good man!! looking at your pictures, i might actually have that same clutch shoe setup, mine came on the rig used so never was able to really tell. they work great if they are the same! does take a bit more RPMs than im used to, to engage, but once they grab they grab hard!
really excited to see your truck "done" !(are projects ever truly done?)

as far as if it is an LST1 vs LST2, yours does have rear turnbuckles, which typically are not added to the LST2, unless 4wheel steering is being added. your chassis rails are also LST1 not LST2, (LST2 did not have the opening in the rear for steering pins, were solid plastic.)

ill try to get a pic of the arms difference tonight for comparison, though both of my trucks are LST"1"s, the one has been updated to LST2 a-arms, axles, etc.


snowman49 04-14-2020 05:22 PM

These are all pictures of the rear A-arm and carriers

LST1 Top A-arm and Hub carrier (notice the turnbuckle and hinge pin length)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...1c54d3df0d.jpg

LST1 A-arm and hub carrier (again notice the turnbuckle and hinge pin length)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...46513782e7.jpg

LST2 A-arm and hub carrier (notice the lack of turnbuckle and hub carrier hinge pin length)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...8043f103bb.jpg
LST2 Top view A-arm and Hub Carrier (note lack of turnbuckle again and width of hub carrier pin.)
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...1d073ae250.jpg

Losi215 04-14-2020 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by snowman49 (Post 15624788)
These are all pictures of the rear A-arm and carriers

LST1 Top A-arm and Hub carrier (notice the turnbuckle and hinge pin length)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...1c54d3df0d.jpg

LST1 A-arm and hub carrier (again notice the turnbuckle and hinge pin length)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...46513782e7.jpg

LST2 A-arm and hub carrier (notice the lack of turnbuckle and hub carrier hinge pin length)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...8043f103bb.jpg
LST2 Top view A-arm and Hub Carrier (note lack of turnbuckle again and width of hub carrier pin.)
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...1d073ae250.jpg

Nice comparison pictures man! I can clearly see the difference. The LST2 setup literally looks twice as beefy too.

snowman49 04-14-2020 07:15 PM

lol really didn't realize exactly how big the pictures were, you can really see the fine detail in the nice Montana mud and dirt on them haha.
yeah alot more beefy wth the LST2, some still like the LST1 especially with racing for the weight savings.

Losi215 04-20-2020 04:18 AM

Good morning everyone. So today, I’m ordering a brand new engine for the losi lst. I’m torn between the Novarossi .28-8port pullstart engine and the LRP .32 pullstart engine. I’m heavily leaning towards the nova, but I’m not counting the lrp out just yet. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated as to what engine I should purchase. Thanks everyone

Herrsavage 04-20-2020 06:45 AM

I've been out of the game for a long time(five-ish years..), but my opinion used to be basically that LRP was the easy but good value and good power/speed option. A Nova or Picco was the "high quality" option, but often there were other factors involved. For one, a higher price, but that has changed I guess with Novarossidirect.

With the Italian engines fitment was not always as straightforward. I seem to recall talk of Piccos not fitting the chassis just right so dremmelling was required etc.. Then there is the need for turbo plugs, maybe the Italian engines are more picky re pipes for ex, and so on...

Here is my LRP ZR.30X from last week. The engine must be at least eight years old, and barely run the last five years at all..(maybe a couple tanks in one outing per year..)


To me that is THE engine for an LST2. Not sure how the LRP 32 would compare. I'd have to go search Youtube etc...
The Nova is no doubt awesome too. I was just always put off by how people talked like an Italian engine was a way to buy better "quality" or whatever... While that can be true, it isn't automatically so given all the variables...

People used to vehemently disagree with me though, and I'm sure still do. ;)

Both are basically awesome choices I bet....

snowman49 04-20-2020 07:49 AM

personally i would go for the Nova.
either from what i hear are great choices, pretty much what it would boil down to for me is run time, smaller displacement.
the LRP Is a SH based engine which i have had great luck with, very few issues. eventually i want to get a nova though.
now that you bring up fitment though, i am remembering having to shim the engine up slightly as the seam on the bottom would impact before the engine mounts were tight.

Losi215 04-20-2020 09:16 AM

Thank you very much for the feedback. Loves the insight and the videos on the lrp, thing seemed like it rips! I think I’m gonna stick to the Novarossi because:

1. I’ve always wanted a Novarossi and now is the time to finally get the experience
2. I’ve read insanely positive reviews and threads on the 28-8 and I just have to experience the power. That being said I think the LRP is a solid choice and maybe in the future I can try them out.

thank you again for the insight guys. Might have an engine installed by next week. I’m gonna look over the truck one more time but I think all I need is the engine, an antenna tube, and I gotta figure out how to keep the truck locked in gear(might ask you again about that snowman)

Herrsavage 04-20-2020 09:40 AM

Just curious - what prices are you looking at for both engines?

Herrsavage 04-20-2020 10:18 AM

Just for poops and giggles...

This was my Muggy with an LRP Spec 3 .28...


I ended up putting the LRP in my LST2, and getting a Novarossi 528XR for the Muggy. I hated my experience with the NR. It never ran anywhere near as well as the LRP above. At a few points it showed potential, but it never really reached it and stayed there. It was frankly a PIA. To be totally frank it was almost certainly me and my lack of tuning skill at the time. Or not... I just couldn't tune it, so ended up selling it to somebody, who wrote back and said it ran great.. I used to have a video of the Muggy with Nova in it, chasing a tune and being a pain. Think maybe that one got lost on Photobucket... Anyway, at the time I put it down to my fuel. But as you can see above that Sidewinder %25 ran just fine in my LRP. And that was always my experience with MTs - the LRPs just ran great with what was easily available. The stock LST pipes for ex. were MADE for LRP engines...

I've had a couple of NR 21s for truggy, buggy, etc.. and they've been great. And the Piccos if anything have been even better... But for MTs nothing ever beat an LRP engine for me... What can I say?

Losi215 04-20-2020 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Herrsavage (Post 15627638)
Just for poops and giggles...

This was my Muggy with an LRP Spec 3 .28...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-sVjgyXdl0&t=1s

I ended up putting the LRP in my LST2, and getting a Novarossi 528XR for the Muggy. I hated my experience with the NR. It never ran anywhere near as well as the LRP above. At a few points it showed potential, but it never really reached it and stayed there. It was frankly a PIA. To be totally frank it was almost certainly me and my lack of tuning skill at the time. Or not... I just couldn't tune it, so ended up selling it to somebody, who wrote back and said it ran great.. I used to have a video of the Muggy with Nova in it, chasing a tune and being a pain. Think maybe that one got lost on Photobucket... Anyway, at the time I put it down to my fuel. But as you can see above that Sidewinder %25 ran just fine in my LRP. And that was always my experience with MTs - the LRPs just ran great with what was easily available. The stock LST pipes for ex. were MADE for LRP engines...

I've had a couple of NR 21s for truggy, buggy, etc.. and they've been great. And the Piccos if anything have been even better... But for MTs nothing ever beat an LRP engine for me... What can I say?

Herrsavage, man that lrp looks dialed perfectly. What a sweet running motor. Ya know what’s funny? Your story reminds of my experience with an rb concepts ws7-2 that I installed in an Ofna hyper 7, it was probably 2004 and I was 14. I had these big grand hopes for the motor and while I did get it running good( sometimes) i was super paranoid about temps and tuning and fiddled with it every 5 seconds and really had no idea The importance of proper clutch set up and pipe and all that. When it ran good it was insane to my young self, but also it in retrospect it was a big disappointment and I don’t think I was able to harness such a legendary engine with my admittedly weak skills at the time.

Anyway, I purchased the nova 28-8 today at absolute Hobby’s and it was 230$ I believe, the lrp I was looking at was 197$ I think at Amain. I hope i made the right decision and I can’t wait to get it installed! Also looking forward to breaking it in, I literally think I enjoy breaking in an engine more so then having it all set up with a few gallons through it lol! Cant wait

Herrsavage 04-20-2020 10:18 PM

That's not a big price difference.. So yeah, good deal going for the Nova. Back in the day people were spending $350 for NR 528s... I'm keen to see how it goes, so I'll check back in looking for some video.. ;) Have fun...


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